SIMMO SAYS
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Vicente.....wow
- Thread starter Stockport seagull
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You really should post more----are you palarse
3years 8 months 125 posts ------ you are palarse
hailshamseagull
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- Feb 21, 2009
- 138
I was gutted when the club shop had sold out of the Derby and Portsmouth home DVD's, by chance does anyone wish to sell or produce a copy of these, for a nominal fee, bet there would be lots of takers!
Lawro's Lip
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Yes an extra few copies of the Derby game would be snapped up now. Compensation for the dross we are sitting through this season.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Yes, especially when it proved kevtherev wrong. Did he ever go up & down the pier with his kitchen table, singing My Old Man's a Dustman?
Colonel Angus
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Try tubing richard tiltman
That is a very dark corner of the Internet and is not somewhere I would like to go.
ryans father
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Quite simply a dream to watch somebody of his quality in the stripes.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
That brings back memories.
"Ham and pineapple, was it? Are you sure? The American Hot is excellent!"
matthew
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Don't get the obsession he was always injured and pretty average for us anyway
Richard Tiltmans Shin Pad
Rustingtons' Mr Guiness
If he was pretty average, your wife must be stunning..............
Diego Napier
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- Mar 27, 2010
- 4,416
Hahahahah! Brilliant, I'd forgotten that. Talk about a grossly distended scrotum.......
seagulls4ever
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- Oct 2, 2003
- 4,338
No one ever said Vicente was rubbish. What is said it that we played better without him in the team than him in it, despite the fact that he was our best player at the time.
Plus, Gareth Bale's situation is completely different. The defender that joined Spurs was completely different to the winger/forward that left them several years later. He came under a lot of criticism early in his Spurs career. But by the time he left the club those stats were reversed. The team couldn't seem to win unless he did play. In is final season at Spurs they relied on him heavily. Did we ever rely on Vicente in such a way?
You never understood the argument that, as a team, some people think we played better without Vicente than with him? I think that's a pretty easy and logical point to understand. The stats are merely used to illustrate that point. I've seen stats used in such a way many times over the years. People always bring those types of stats out when debating whether the national team is better with or without Rooney, for example.
Maybe to your mind missing the point, but to my mind I prefer a team to be playing well collectively and consequently wins games (and in an entertaining way, too), rather than simply watching an individual strut his stuff to the detriment to the team as a whole. I found it incredibly frustrating. The whole plan seemed to be, 'give it to Vicente and see what happens'. Regardless of results, I remember how we played without Vicente in the team and how we played with him in it. Personally, I was more entertained when he didn't play. After all, football is a team sport. That's why paying loads of money for the best individuals on the planet doesn't always work out for the big teams, or why the Lampard/Gerrard combination never worked. Though for the rare games that we won when Vicente did play, generally we were outstanding and some of my best experiences ever of watching football.
If I recall correctly, in our first season in the Championship, Vicente's return to the team at the end of the season coincided with an 8 game spell without a win when we went from looking like dead certs for the play-offs, to 10th and missing out. It's not like we played amazing when Vicente played and we were desperately unlucky with results. It's simply that, in my opinion, as a team, we played better without him.
I want to watch entertaining players, yes, but it has to be entertainment with purpose. Give me a Zamora every time. With him in the team, collectively, we were outstanding - the consequence of which was loads of success.
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BRIGHT ON Q
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- Jul 5, 2003
- 9,110
KLL was not far behind him that night either.
I could be wrong, but I've a feeling that he was not even given MotM that night. Lualua I think.
As for the best individual performance EVER, I think that was Razak's debut. Utterly imperious. Shame it was his only decent game.
Dirk Lehmann's Python
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I'm with Seagulls4ever on this one. The team were generally shit when he played, bar a handful of occasions. Beyond the goal at Ipswich and the performances vs Derby and Pompey I doubt anyone can remember any stand out moments.
Undoubtedly a wonderfuly talented player but didn't deliver at the Albion, some people are getting carried away because we're now supposed to be getting excited by the likes of Dale Stephens instead.
Undoubtedly a wonderfuly talented player but didn't deliver at the Albion, some people are getting carried away because we're now supposed to be getting excited by the likes of Dale Stephens instead.
Dirk Lehmann's Python
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didn't KLL get man of the match? He was unbelievable that evening.
Baldseagull
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Razak has just signed for Doncaster Rovers.
All of this love for THAT Derby match (not to be confused with any other match v Derby), has got me confused.
I've now convinced myself it was also that game the Albion set up the biggest ever offside trap.
Say it isn't so.
Shirley you can't distil the whole stadium experience into Buckley, 9 men, v Derby and St Paddy's day.
I've now convinced myself it was also that game the Albion set up the biggest ever offside trap.
Say it isn't so.
Shirley you can't distil the whole stadium experience into Buckley, 9 men, v Derby and St Paddy's day.
bobby baxter
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- Jan 31, 2014
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My impression was that everyone could see how skilled he was and became critical when he didnt glide pass three players and smash the ball in the net every time he had the ball. Totally unrealistic expectations.
I remember Ian Dowies reaction on Sky Sports when it came through we had signed Vicente, after initial disbelief he stated that this was the major signing of the transfer window.