Bold Seagull
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that’s incorrect, you’re active as soon as you have any influence on the play.
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[Albion] Referee Jon Moss, watching MotD, in his Chelsea pyjamas.
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that’s incorrect, you’re active as soon as you have any influence on the play.
Napier's Knee
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Moss has very obviously been told off after the fiasco at the Amex - and his assistants have obviously been told to help him out too. The first one was offside, the second one a definite penalty.
Bold Seagull
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The second one offside too? And not 'definitely' a penalty, I think you can say it was, but there was nothing definite about it. You are allowed to make contact in football, the laws of the game are still that contact has to be deemed as reckless, careless or excessive. I think VVD pulls out of an attempted kick, and Lamela should be strong enough to stay on his feet. Can see why it was given, can see why you'd say it was a penalty, but it's not for me, at most you might say it was careless, but even then the contact is minimal.
Blues Rock DJ
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and ? Roger East allowed play to continue after a foul for our first goal........
alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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second wasnt a penalty.So Moss denies us two clear cut penalties v Chelski, but give Spurs two debatable pens v Liverpool
Bold Seagull
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What has Roger East allowing play to continue got to do with a thread about Jon Moss giving or not giving penalties?
Bold Seagull
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He didn't even book the assault on Bong in the first couple of minutes, dreadful challenge I thought.
Oh yeah forgot about that one, no attempt to play the ball either
Blues Rock DJ
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agreed......without reading too much into it......given the situation at West Ham re African players, am I being cynical thinking that the 'assault' was on our only African player ??
They sure were. That offside rule is mental though.
That apparently isn't what the rules say these days.
Annoying as that is, that's what strikers do, and you basically accept that if your keeper goes in like that they get the ball or it's a penalty. We've seen it hundreds of times where a striker will put all their effort into making sure their trailing leg drags along the ground until they feel contact.
On a separate point for the first pen:
Linesman says to Moss that if the defender hasn't touched it, it's offside, and if the defender has, then it's a penalty. Moss says he doesn't know if the defender touched it and asks if there's anything on TV. He then says 'I'm giving the penalty'. Presumably an official gave him the signal via his radio that the defender touched the ball. So what, they're allowed to use TV footage and commentator comments when they feel like it?
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: •interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
•interfering with an opponent by:
•preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
•challenging an opponent for the ball or
•clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or
•making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
or
•gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
•rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent
•been deliberately saved by any opponent
•A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.
A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area).
Arthritic Toe
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Nope - you're wrong. here's the definition of having an influence on play:
*** Apologies previous poster! did not see you had posted exactly the same thing! ****
Kane did not do any of those things to become active. (he still dived though).
Jon MESS
Arthritic Toe
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VAR would've been interesting. Given the amount of debate even after the incidents have been micro-analysed though, I wonder if it would have made any difference. I think both penalties would have been given, and Lawro would still disagree with the first as he hasn't read the rule-book.