Our new Prime Minister Theresa May, and her cabinet...

Bladders said:

Farage feels his work here is done

Boris was knifed

Gove was knifed for knifing Boris

Leadsom only ran cause Boris (who she would have supported) was knifed

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Gove was voted out rather than knifed, because he's an untrustworthy, loathsome former-lickspittle of the current shambles.

As for the others, there was nothing actually stopping Boris from running, nor Leadsom from seeing out the campaign. And as for Farage - his work hasn't been done at all, has it?

Isn't it just typical, just when "We've got our country back" nobody wants to run it

Love the thread title change "........Theresa May (was a woman).

Poor Andrea (*snigger*) got pilloried for hinting as such.

Bladders said:

Farage feels his work here is done

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The country is lurching from one political crisis to the next, the toxic fallout is EVERYWHERE and Farage is happily chuffing on a Benson in Brussels surveying the rubble thinking "Yep, my work here is done."

Simster said:

And as for Farage - his work hasn't been done at all, has it?

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Of course it has. His aim, and UKIPs, was to get a referendum on leaving the EU - job done.
Their next job was to win that referendum - job done.

Farage, and the whole of UKIP bar one, are not represented in Parliament. What exactly are they meant to do next ? They have no power, they will not be present at the negotiations, what EXACTLY could he or the party do now ?

It's no different to Galloway ( regardless of what you think of him ) having any influence over the Iraq war.

It seems there will be no re-run of the leader race and it's just a question of when Eastbourne's finest becomes PM.

I'll miss Samantha Cameron though. She was the people's wife of a PM. A true English rose and the 'first lady' of hearts.

Westdene Seagull said:

Of course it has. His aim, and UKIPs was to get a referendum on leaving the EU - job done.
Their next job was to win that referendum - job done.

Farage, and the whole of UKIP bar one, are not represented in Parliament. What exactly are they meant to do next ? They have now power, they will not be present at the negotiations, what EXACTLY could he or the party do now ?

It's no different to Galloway ( regardless of what you think of him ) having any influence over the Iraq war.

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I think Arron Banks might have some ideas of what UKIP will do next though - https://twitter.com/arron_banks

Amusing thought that 'taking back power' means handing it to one woman with no election.

lawros left foot said:

Isn't it just typical, just when "We've got our country back" nobody wants to run it

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Theresa May pulled out too ?

MattBackHome said:

The country is lurching from one political crisis to the next, the toxic fallout is EVERYWHERE and Farage is happily chuffing on a Benson in Brussels surveying the rubble thinking "Yep, my work here is done."

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You wish. Farage has only been in Brussels once since the referendum and won't be going back unless they stop paying his salary by direct debit.

#take control - biggest piss take in the last hundred years of political piss taking.

5ways said:

Amusing thought that 'taking back power' means handing it to one woman with no election.

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Brexit has really enhanced the democratic process in the country, we will have a Prime Minister for the next four years that less than two hundred people have voted for.

I feel liberated, at least she's not a foreigner

c0lz said:

Theresa May pulled out too ?

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No, but she did say she didn't want a coronation

Look forward to all Remainers and Leavers uniting behind the new Leader/Government with a new positive forward looking attitude .....

lawros left foot said:

Brexit has really enhanced the democratic process in the country, we will have a Prime Minister for the next four years that less than two hundred people have voted for.

I feel liberated, at least she's not a foreigner

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She is an expert though - which would likely count against her in a leadership contest.

5ways said:

She is an expert though - which would likely count against her in a leadership contest.

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An expert who backed remain, when so many said the next PM had to be Brexiter.

ManOfSussex said:

An expert who backed remain, when so many said the next PM had to be Brexiter.

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I know its from 2015 But.

Theresa May and Boris Johnson's respective comments on free movement yesterday have been widely interpreted as their personal red lines in the EU renegotiation. Open Europe's Pawel Swidlicki assesses whether this is really the case.
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7 October 2015

Theresa May and Boris Johnson’s speeches at the Conservative Party conference yesterday attracted a lot of attention, particularly for their references to EU free movement. Many commentators have concluded that both politicians made far-reaching changes to free movement their own personal red line in the EU renegotiation, and that they have therefore positioned themselves to campaign for Brexit.

This is partially the result of the leadership’s desire to avoid the Europe topic as much as possible – it is not surprising that in the resulting vacuum, commentators have seized on any apparent indicators of dissent from leading Tories, especially given that both are in the running to take over from David Cameron as party leader. So have Theresa and Boris really set down a marker or is the speculation a bit premature?

Leaving aside the tone of May’s speech and some of her more questionable claims, her central argument was that “Britain does not need net migration in the hundreds of thousands every year”, and that we need an “immigration system that allows us to control who comes to our country.” She also described net migration from the EU as “unsustainable”. Even though net migration from the EU on its own stood at 196,000 last year, the target or ‘aspiration’ of reducing this to the “tens of thousands” will not be achieved under the current EU regime.

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Very hard to see how Theresa May can back staying in the EU without changes to the principle of free movement after this speech
11:41 AM - 6 Oct 2015
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However, while May went on to argue that “the rules have to change”, she did not explicitly call for hard restrictions to free movement itself, backing instead the government’s current policy of placing rules on benefits access on a fairer footing:

Workers coming to the UK on very low salaries can claim over £10,000 on top of their salary in benefits – which makes the UK a hugely attractive destination. This is not good for us – or for the countries those people are leaving. That is why the PM is right to target the amount we pay in benefits for those coming to the UK to work.
Theresa May, Speech to Conservative Party conference, 6 October 2015
In contrast, Boris’ speech received a much more positive appraisal from commentators. Inevitably assessed through the prism of his leadership ambitions, many seized on his assertion that “it should be up to this parliament and this country – not Jean Claude Juncker – to decide if too many people are coming here” as his personal red line in the EU renegotiation.

The logical conclusion of Boris’ argument is some kind of cap or emergency brake on EU immigration – an option David Cameron considered before he opted instead to address the pull factor of unrestricted access to the UK’s in-work benefits. In addition to having a number of practical shortcomings, an emergency brake or cap would be very hard to negotiate, and would most likely be tantamount to leaving the EU.

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Boris setting the bar deceptively high for Dave's EU renegotiation: parliamentary supremacy & control of immigration.
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So has Boris in effect declared for Brexit by setting Cameron an impossibly high bar to clear? Possibly – he has certainly left that option open. However, it is worth bearing in mind that Boris has been hedging his bets on the EU ever since it has been a defining issue, and this remains the case. Indeed, he has made similar comments about free movement in the past without declaring for Brexit:

Britain is now the America of the EU; the place people want to come… It is only reasonable for us to have some kind of further protections – involving points or even quotas, agreed with business – so that we can manage this pressure. It would be madness to close our borders to talent; but it is also madness to continue with a system that means we have no idea how many are coming or what burdens they may place on the state.
Boris Johnson, ‘The answer to the UKIP anger is simple: vote David Cameron’, The Daily Telegraph, 13 October 2014
Boris’ views on the matter are relatively clear – he recognises the social and economic benefits of immigration (much more so than May) while believing the UK should retain ultimate control. This is a perfectly respectable view, most likely shared by a majority of the public. On the face of it, his comments do raise the bar for Cameron but it does not follow that failure to secure these changes would definitely push him into the Out camp for a number of reasons.

Firstly, immigration is not the only factor in the EU debate. Free movement, like EU membership more broadly involves trade-offs and this is what the referendum campaign will be about – weighing up whether the overall package is in Britain’s interest. Boris himself has also talked about expanding the single market in services, ensuring the EU is open to trade with emerging economies, and addressing the burden of EU regulation.

Moreover, Boris is aware that even non-EU countries like Norway and Switzerland have to accept free movement as part of their terms of access to the single market. Scrapping free movement would therefore radically narrow the scope for a post-Brexit FTA. Furthermore, as we have explained in detail, Brexit would not necessarily aid or make much difference to the challenges of the refugee crisis.

In our recent analysis of Tory MPs’ EU positions, we had both Theresa and Boris down as swing voters, and we think that this remains the case.
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog...ree-movement-a-red-line-in-the-renegotiation/

Simster said:

You shouldn't really. People like him probably swung the Brexit vote in your favour.

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I should write and thank him.

I don't mind May, particularly - and she does seem to be the type who will come in and stop everyone in government from stapling themselves to their ties or whatever idiocy is next.

But I'm not with her on withdrawal from ECHR, and her Home Office record is patchy, and I reckon this annointment significantly undermines Brexit.

severnside gull said:

You wish. Farage has only been in Brussels once since the referendum and won't be going back unless they stop paying his salary by direct debit.

#take control - biggest piss take in the last hundred years of political piss taking.

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What about all those MP's and Lords who clock in and then walk straight back out 10 mins later? Now that is totally taking the piss.

Westdene Seagull said:

Of course it has. His aim, and UKIPs, was to get a referendum on leaving the EU - job done.
Their next job was to win that referendum - job done.

Farage, and the whole of UKIP bar one, are not represented in Parliament. What exactly are they meant to do next ? They have no power, they will not be present at the negotiations, what EXACTLY could he or the party do now ?

It's no different to Galloway ( regardless of what you think of him ) having any influence over the Iraq war.

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Precisely. What could Farage do next even if he had wanted to. He's achieved his aims for which I for one thank him most sincerely.