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Global Warming not eroding ice shocker
- Thread starter Guinness Boy
- Start date
oops will do........................
BadFish
Huge Member
- Oct 19, 2003
- 17,114
You really are a bit of a simpleton arnt you
Compared to you Husty, isn't everyone?
Bunch of scientists caught in ice that doesn't exist?
Yes, I have. The boiling hot wind and the sizzling rain are unbearable.
Jimmy Come Lately
Registered Loser
Oh please, I didn't even need to read this story to work out what was wrong with your description of it. Arctic ice cover hit a record low last year. Even on a consistent downward trend (which the ice seems to be) it won't break the record progressively every year: the climate is too variable for that, and after some extreme years it will be less extreme the next year. But still lower than the long-term average. This is not a "recovery" in any meaningful sense (i.e. a sense of "getting better"). And here's the paragraph from the article itself where the scientists explicitly remind the reader of this:
SeagullSongs
And it's all gone quiet..
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
There's been a number of posts on the fate of the combustion engine here so I thought I'd pipe up. You're right,the combustion engine is going nowhere,but what it burns will change. Water to be precise,and the technology exists and certainly has been suppressed by both manufacturers and governments for obvious reasons. But the day us common people will be allowed to use it is coming closer
I didn't say that. I said man cannot overpower nature. Nature will always overpower man. It's been doing that for millions, or billions of years. In the scheme of things, man has only been here for a moment, and he really is rather arrogant to think that he has caused what nature does by itself. (That is not to say that we should not take care of our environment for the generations to come, but to say that this planet is behaving as it has always behaved and will carry on behaving, long after man has gone.)
I sense the conspiracy theorist is strong in this one. The reason Hydrogen fuel cells arnt on the mass market is because they are expensive and difficult to produce and because they have short life spans, meaning they're currently no improvement over what we currently use.
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,200
So it was 1.2 degrees hotter in 2013 than the average, so what? - Do you think that the climate doesn't vary from year to year and would remain constant if it wasn't for man?
Average means that some years will be hotter and some cooler and the cause can be from a far and wide selection of causes which could all have nothing to do with man and its impact on the planet and more to do with things like the sun and the natural cycles of the Earth in relation to it.
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,200
Could the whole attitude of this 'green' society thinking have more to do with the Earths dwindling oil, gas and fossil fuel reserves and the need to wean people away from these and one way of selling it's alternatives is to scare people away from traditional fuels (or at least make them less willing to use them wastefully) and help make them prepared to pay far more for their energy needs by using expensive 'green' alternatives and to willingly pay 'green' taxes which they could otherwise reject doing?
When do they estimate that oil, coal and natural gas reserves will now run out? I remember at school they used to teach us that they would have run out by now, and some would have all gone before the turn of the millenium but clearly this was wrong but how much longer can it continue?
Also, wasn't the whole green argument first used / invented by politicans saying that there was a need for cleaner and greener alternatives to fossil fuels, etc in a bid to gain public support for the building of nuclear power stations? - A political spin going on and on as a result of it's first introduction and it's too late to back out now? (too much money tied up in it, etc for too long)
Guy Fawkes
The voice of treason
- Sep 29, 2007
- 8,200
If things are as bad as you make out, why have soo many extremely common examples of damaging behaviors or practices still uncontrolled?
Such as the use of plastics for food storage rather than much more environmentally friendly alternatives? Why hasn't excessive waste & excessive packaging been completely banned on many products? - only recently have suppliers started to reduce this as a result of public demand after years of being fed the propoganda about being green. why isn't more unwrapped food (like meats) sold, why isn't more packaging made from paper or wood (from sustainable forests)
Why isn't all or most of the potential daily household waste (commonly used household products, etc) required to be recycled? (from metals to card to food waste) why don't they produce products in conatiners that are amek from just 1 easily recyclable material rather than often a mix which makes the whole thing difficult to recycle (plastic over cardboard, etc)
Why do commercial properties have to leave lights on at night? (health & safety i guess in case someone needs access at night) but surely there are motion sensors or simply having the light switch near the entrance would negate this need and mean that an aweful lot of electricity could be saved up and down the country and across the world. (and seriously reducing carbon emissions that are produced in generating this wasted power.)
No - it is far easier to attack the car user, etc as evil, uncaring and killing the planet and anyone who disagrees is scum and shouldn't be listened to because PR and a man in a white coat (scientists with a possible vested interest) has said it will happen (as predicted by using a number of models which often fails to accurately match real life, such as hole in ozone layer taking centuries to repair itself - untrue. and so on and are based on only a short snapshot of the planets history but trying to predict hundreds of years into the future. It's a bit like taking a volume of the encyclopedia Britannia, opening at a random page, reading the first papragraph and claiming you know all of it's contents)
Kalimantan Gull
Well-known member
I sense the conspiracy theorist is strong in this one. The reason Hydrogen fuel cells arnt on the mass market is because they are expensive and difficult to produce and because they have short life spans, meaning they're currently no improvement over what we currently use.
Who said hydrogen fuel cells? I said water. Internal combustion engines that burn water have been invented many times. Free fuel. Wonder why that never sees the light of day
Tyrone Biggums
Well-known member
The climate of the planet is a constantly changing thing. So of course climate change is a real thing.
It's been constantly changing for millions of years.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
i have formed my own opinions , i still drive a car which is fuelled by petrol and the electricity i use comes from a coal powered electrical plant.........i don't know how old you are but the Amazon was pretty well untouched 40 years ago...........extreme/critical uv levels have only come about in the last 15 years with the depletion of the ozone layer , companies like bp , shell , chevron etc are still scouring the planet with massive deposits of coal and oil recently being found in queensland and ghana...........the amount of oil and gas involved in the north west shelf chevron project off the coast of w.a is still un-confirmed but reported to be massive.
the human population of the planet has quadrupled inside the last half a century..........the ocean has huge areas that are "bioligically dead" not to mention the 175,000 sq/k/m,s of plastic rubbish swirling around in the middle of the pacific........as for the questions asked in your first four paragraphs ,i believe it all comes down to money at the end of the day , you would have to ask the c.e.o's of such companies why their policies are what they are.
Buffalo Seagull
Active member
The human population has not "quadrupled inside the last half a century". It was approx 3 billion in 1960 and approx 7 billion now.
sydney
tinky ****in winky
i'm prepared to give you that with a
,i''m not going to argue that particular point as it is not the main issue......cheers Syd.