General Election 2015

Pavilionaire · Aug 12, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
The one positive that this Tory government has, is that it's had nothing to mess up. All it's had to do is recover.

You make it sound so easy to manage an economic recovery. So let's look at how our neighbour across the Channel - socialist President Francois Hollande - is doing. Oh, that's right, manufacturing's just contracted and they've had zero growth in 2014. "The Sick Man Of Europe", "The Elephant In The Eurozone" as they've been described. A bloated public sector in desperate need of trimming, helping to create a public deficit 40% higher than that actually permitted under the Maastricht Treaty rules.

For France read the UK under Red Ed and Balls.

Leekbrookgull · Aug 12, 2014

Open question to those who have faith and buy-into Red Ed,why does he need to live in Primrose Hill ? I mean its hardly fertile Labour terrority more like champagne soliaclism heartland ? I just can't see why Red Ed does not want to live in somewhere like Canning Town,i mean is he not a friend of the ''working class'' ?

daveinprague · Aug 12, 2014

Leekbrookgull said:
Open question to those who have faith and buy-into Red Ed,why does he need to live in Primrose Hill ? I mean its hardly fertile Labour terrority more like champagne soliaclism heartland ? I just can't see why Red Ed does not want to live in somewhere like Canning Town,i mean is he not a friend of the ''working class'' ?

Probably the only politician in the world who would actually do that is the President of Uruguay. Its a pretty rare occurrance.

Herr Tubthumper · Aug 12, 2014

Leekbrookgull said:
Open question to those who have faith and buy-into Red Ed,why does he need to live in Primrose Hill ? I mean its hardly fertile Labour terrority more like champagne soliaclism heartland ? I just can't see why Red Ed does not want to live in somewhere like Canning Town,i mean is he not a friend of the ''working class'' ?

Maybe he wants to live where he was brought up? A lot of people do.

beorhthelm · Aug 12, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
Did you actually know that as a percentage of GDP, our spending under Labour post '97 was actually less than much of the Conservatives time in power? Other than after the financial crisis it didn't go above 40% as it had several times in the '80's...

ah statistics... true, but important to note that from 1982 to 1990 it fell, then back up until '95, then back down 'till 2000, and increasing every year since then. if you account for policy lag and general increase in GDP, we see that in the post 2000 period we spent, spent, spent.

larus · Aug 12, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
Did you actually know that as a percentage of GDP, our spending under Labour post '97 was actually less than much of the Conservatives time in power? Other than after the financial crisis it didn't go above 40% as it had several times in the '80's...

And the reason for the is so much of the spending was done on PFI, which is not counted as government spending at the time, but a HUGE F***ING liability for future generations. GB was incompetent and all he cared about was spinning the same crap every budget as he craved the top job. Well, we're all paying for it now.

And I despair about the Tories too, as 99% of politicians are in it for their own benefit. "Here to serve"; yeah, right. 'Here to bury my snout in the trough and secure my expenses and Non-Exec positions from business and the elite once I leave.' They are all a bunch of w***ers IMO, and there appears to be little change in the country at any change of government. We can't survive on the mirage of wealth caused by house prices going up and this driving consumer spending. This is the most important thing which needs addressing IMO.

Stoo82 · Aug 12, 2014

Ernest said:
Seeing as the Tories need at least a 4 or 5% lead over Labour to win a majority it will be interesting where this sudden surge in votes will come from, a Tory party in disarray, the leader sunning himself in Portugal despite half the world being at war and the only policy they can come up with is more demonisation of benefit claimants.

As the Tories couldn't win in 2010 despite their being the most unpopular PM of all time against them how the hell will they win in 2015 when the whole country knows what a nasty, devisive, spiteful, incompetent government they are.

It would have been the largest swing in electoral history in 2010. It really was never going to happen.

All governments are 'nasty, divisive, spiteful and incompetent when they take things away.

I think we are going to see more and more coalition governments, with the larger party's taking a hammering over the next 50 years or so. It's the age of the interdependent MP. Exactly what MPs were and should be.

Stoo82 · Aug 12, 2014

bigcabboy said:
UKIP hold the key to the next election they will win seats its just where and whether they take red seats or blue seats one things for sure in my eyes i cant see the tories winning outright power

UKIP will win bugger all.

They will get votes I agree. But a shitting MP? Na. Remember a few years ago everyone saying the a BNP MP was on the cards...

Leekbrookgull · Aug 12, 2014

I think it's time to play the Gordon Brown card,remember him ? 1997-2001 Labour kept to Ken Clarkes budget,basically get a second term and they did now all hell is let loose it's Vera Nicolson time SPEND,SPEND,SPEND and money money pours into the Nhs/Education so good,until now P/M Gordon Brown has to start paying it back and he can't. Vote Labour,Vote tax increase. Vote Labour,Vote even more waste in our 'world class public services'.

Bold Seagull · Aug 13, 2014

larus said:
And the reason for the is so much of the spending was done on PFI, which is not counted as government spending at the time, but a HUGE F***ING liability for future generations. GB was incompetent and all he cared about was spinning the same crap every budget as he craved the top job. Well, we're all paying for it now.

And I despair about the Tories too, as 99% of politicians are in it for their own benefit. "Here to serve"; yeah, right. 'Here to bury my snout in the trough and secure my expenses and Non-Exec positions from business and the elite once I leave.' They are all a bunch of w***ers IMO, and there appears to be little change in the country at any change of government. We can't survive on the mirage of wealth caused by house prices going up and this driving consumer spending. This is the most important thing which needs addressing IMO.

It's great to read a balanced post on this thread. :thumbsup:

Titanic · Aug 13, 2014

IpsosMORI / Standdard poll:

Conservative 33 +1
Labour 33 -2
Liberal Democrat 7 +1
UKIP 13 -1
Green 7
Other 7 +1

SeagullinExile · Aug 13, 2014

Bozza said:
Ed Milliband leading this great nation? Ha ha ha ha.

Absolutely this. A wolf in sheep's clothing. Once a red always a red - Just like his old man.

Westdene Seagull · Aug 13, 2014

Titanic said:
IpsosMORI / Standdard poll:

Conservative 33 +1
Labour 33 -2
Liberal Democrat 7 +1
UKIP 13 -1
Green 7
Other 7 +1

That's an interesting set of figures. While I know percentage of the vote doesn't equate to the same percentage of seats won, those figures would probably create a hung parliament. Would Labour go into a three way coalition with the Greens and the Lib Dems in an attempt to stop a Tory / UKIP pact ?

Surrey_Albion · Aug 13, 2014

I don't like the tories and if im honest I hate labour even more for the reason they pretend to do things fir "the working man" but are all crooks, blair and that lot were scum imho

SeagullinExile · Aug 13, 2014

Stoo82 said:
UKIP will win bugger all.

They will get votes I agree. But a shitting MP? Na. Remember a few years ago everyone saying the a BNP MP was on the cards...

You can't really compare the far right and UKIP imo. Historically the security services have infiltrated far right groups causing in-fighting and splits - As they did in the 70s with an ever strengthening N.F. (Which gave birth to the BNP and other fringe groups) I have no doubt it still goes on today!

Divide and conquer an all that!

Mo Gosfield · Aug 13, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
One went to a comprehensive school the son of Polish Jewish immigrants with modest means, the other son of a stockbroker with a lineage to King William IV who went to Eton. Apart from the rosettes though….

....and therein lies the biggest question of all.....
Forget the rest of the debate, can Milliband overcome the fact that he is Jewish? There has not been a Jewish PM since Disraeli and the men in grey suits ( the powerbrokers in the highest circles ) have made sure that no Semite has succeeded since. Many able Jewish politicians ( Keith Joseph, Leon Brittan, Michael Howard etc ) have reached high office but the main prize has always escaped them. Not by accident but by design. There is an unwritten rule in Westminster and it has been in place for a very long time.
It may be time for that to change but the powers behind the scenes will be doing their best to prevent it happening.

Seagull on the wing · Aug 13, 2014

Tony Blair....Labour....the richest champange socialist for the working man...the Middle East peace envoy...whilst the Middle East explodes in murder,turmoil,and uprisings....where is he...in one of his seven masions...or being feted by one of the Russian oil barons...does he care for the ordinary working man of GB....NO CHANCE. Gordan Brown...who sold our gold reserves at the lowest ever price...the government who left a note that there was no money left...Labour ruled by Unions...(and I was a Union man)...sorry if you vote for this lot then you must have a memory lapse...every time they get in we have to borrow,spend,borrow policies.
Look at France for socialist policies working....not!
Not saying the Tories are great...they have problems as well.../but in mind,the lesser of two evils....we have a lot of swing in Europe if we put the pressure on...we import more than we export to Europe,we control the banking...we should put pressure on for reforms...leave the ECHR and set up a British Court of Human Rights where we can control OUR laws,OUR borders.
Australian/American entry of Immigrants...no crimminals allowed in....but of course this is my opinion,my choice.

Stoo82 · Aug 13, 2014

SeagullinExile said:
You can't really compare the far right and UKIP imo. Historically the security services have infiltrated far right groups causing in-fighting and splits - As they did in the 70s with an ever strengthening N.F. (Which gave birth to the BNP and other fringe groups) I have no doubt it still goes on today!

Divide and conquer an all that!

Sorry. I didn't mean to make a connection with them politically. Just the under 'first past the post' I can't see them getting an MP. They MIGHT come second in some seats. But not first. Basically, nationally roughly 10m people vote for Labour, Tory and the Lib Dems. But the Lib Dems don't get a third of the seats in the house. Because the majority in 'most' constituency don't vote for them.

Ernest · Aug 13, 2014

Seagull on the wing said:
Tony Blair....Labour....the richest champange socialist for the working man...the Middle East peace envoy...whilst the Middle East explodes in murder,turmoil,and uprisings....where is he...in one of his seven masions...or being feted by one of the Russian oil barons...does he care for the ordinary working man of GB....NO CHANCE. Gordan Brown...who sold our gold reserves at the lowest ever price...the government who left a note that there was no money left...Labour ruled by Unions...(and I was a Union man)...sorry if you vote for this lot then you must have a memory lapse...every time they get in we have to borrow,spend,borrow policies.
Look at France for socialist policies working....not!
Not saying the Tories are great...they have problems as well.../but in mind,the lesser of two evils....we have a lot of swing in Europe if we put the pressure on...we import more than we export to Europe,we control the banking...we should put pressure on for reforms...leave the ECHR and set up a British Court of Human Rights where we can control OUR laws,OUR borders.
Australian/American entry of Immigrants...no crimminals allowed in....but of course this is my opinion,my choice.

You have written a load of rubbish over the years but this tops the lot

beorhthelm · Aug 13, 2014

Westdene Seagull said:
That's an interesting set of figures. While I know percentage of the vote doesn't equate to the same percentage of seats won, those figures would probably create a hung parliament. Would Labour go into a three way coalition with the Greens and the Lib Dems in an attempt to stop a Tory / UKIP pact ?

UKIP wont win any seats. however, its odd the Ulster Unionist are always over looked, who i understand would follow the Conservatives.

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