[Albion] Bong being abused all game.

Kalimantan Gull said:

The last post on the Burnley messageboard thread on this. Says it all I think:

"I'm closing this thread because it has now reached the point where there are too many posts that need to be removed.

There are accusations from some posters of racists posting on here. We are currently working on setting up rules for this board that will come into place some time during the close season. We will rid this board of racists because it is what decent people want. I can confirm that a number of posters are currently serving suspensions for recent, and totally unacceptable, racist and/or homophobic posts. They are week long suspensions but in future those suspensions will become considerably longer.

We will continue to need everyone's help although the plan will be to have more mods which will enable us to police the board in a much better way than we do now. A big thanks to those who have reported posts on this thread which have enabled action to be taken."

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Kalimantan Gull said:

The last post on the Burnley messageboard thread on this. Says it all I think:

"I'm closing this thread because it has now reached the point where there are too many posts that need to be removed.

There are accusations from some posters of racists posting on here. We are currently working on setting up rules for this board that will come into place some time during the close season. We will rid this board of racists because it is what decent people want. I can confirm that a number of posters are currently serving suspensions for recent, and totally unacceptable, racist and/or homophobic posts. They are week long suspensions but in future those suspensions will become considerably longer.

We will continue to need everyone's help although the plan will be to have more mods which will enable us to police the board in a much better way than we do now. A big thanks to those who have reported posts on this thread which have enabled action to be taken."

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clapham_gull said:

I think most would find it hard to view JR to be a victim of anything else rather than process.

Although the whole thing became inflamed (and again after settling down by fans of Burnley) if you are going to behave like he did on a football field that day a number of things can potentially happen, rightly or wrongly.

What would have been really really sensible the next day would have been to issue an instant apology. That wouldn't have affected any further case since it was all there to be seen by millions.

I would have advised him to acknowledge that his actions (although not racist) were open to interpretation. Specifically it was particularly unwise to aggressively face off a fellow black player and tell him he smelt.

In most areas of employment (including mine) that would definitely result in a disciplinary. It would probably result in instant dismissal.

Whilst the organisation may not be able prove racism, I'd definitely leave under an air of suspicion that I would be unable to control.

I fully understand what a shock it would have been to him, no-one wants to be accused of that.

But he isn't a victim in this story and he trigger was pulled at West Brom.

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8th battalion East Lancs said:

I don't know.

You do seem to have a bit of a problem down there with hearing things. It may be a strange form of tinnitus or just some folk like making things up.

I mean you have one chap on the other thread who posted yesterday that we were singing 'We are racist and we don't care'.

Yet I haven't seen this mentioned by anyone else anywhere. I wonder which tune that went with, and were there any cuckoo noises?

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ClaretMatt said:

It's ridiculous to suggest you can apply a standard from a normal workplace to that of a football pitch. If you pushed a counterpart from a rival company at a meeting that'd result in a disciplinary. If you mouthed off at an official from a regulatory body who highlighted an error of yours that'd result in a disciplinary etc.

I made my stance pretty clear in my first post on the issue. I didn't boo Bong because he made a complaint, I booed because outside of the correct process he made statements that could have been potentially prejudicial, could not be proven and if made during the course of a criminal trial would likely have resulted in the collapse of the case. He then continued to make the statements after the tribunal did not rule in his favour.

RE: Exoneration. Unless the charge/sanctions have been suspended or the accusation is still being investigated then for all intents and purposes he has been exonerated. At the very least saying he has been exonerated is a close to the ruling of the tribunal/content of the report as Bong's repeated statements in the aftermath. So if you suggest that Rodriguez is wrong to make such comments then you must also accept that Bong is wrong to make his. IMO they should have both kept it to a minimum but it was Bong who prompted the post-tribunal exchange and that cannot be denied.

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ClaretMatt said:

I made my stance pretty clear in my first post on the issue. I didn't boo Bong because he made a complaint, I booed because outside of the correct process he made statements that could have been potentially prejudicial, could not be proven and if made during the course of a criminal trial would likely have resulted in the collapse of the case.

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clapham_gull said:

That stand was full of solicitors was it ?.

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Saunders said:

Without the raving you could imply they are rational.

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ClaretMatt said:

It's ridiculous to suggest you can apply a standard from a normal workplace to that of a football pitch. If you pushed a counterpart from a rival company at a meeting that'd result in a disciplinary. If you mouthed off at an official from a regulatory body who highlighted an error of yours that'd result in a disciplinary etc.

I made my stance pretty clear in my first post on the issue. I didn't boo Bong because he made a complaint, I booed because outside of the correct process he made statements that could have been potentially prejudicial, could not be proven and if made during the course of a criminal trial would likely have resulted in the collapse of the case. He then continued to make the statements after the tribunal did not rule in his favour.

RE: Exoneration. Unless the charge/sanctions have been suspended or the accusation is still being investigated then for all intents and purposes he has been exonerated. At the very least saying he has been exonerated is a close to the ruling of the tribunal/content of the report as Bong's repeated statements in the aftermath. So if you suggest that Rodriguez is wrong to make such comments then you must also accept that Bong is wrong to make his. IMO they should have both kept it to a minimum but it was Bong who prompted the post-tribunal exchange and that cannot be denied.

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ClaretMatt said:

First highlight - Reiterating his stance that Rodriguez made a racist comment, a pretty direct criticism.
Second highlight - Rodriguez's statement which he was forced into making after Bong posted a tweet minutes after the tribunal's verdict was made public which also continued to state, unequivocally, that he did not mishear and Rodriguez made racists remarks, whilst also misrepresenting Rodriguez's apology as him accepting he made a racist remark. Had Bong not made this statement chances are JR would have maintained the respectful minimum comment that he had done throughout the whole process, unlike Bong who went on international TV to state Rodriguez was racist (whilst simultaneously contradicting his statement in immediate aftermath of the incident, as highlighted in the tribunal's report).

Next.

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Bodian said:

What were the "statements issued by him and on his behalf by his various PR and legal advisors" referred to in Bong's statement?

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rippleman said:

You fella have lost all credibility on these boards because you refused to condemn the constant abuse of Bong and the homophobic chants of your pals.

Don't give a **** about your opinion on anything.

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ClaretMatt said:

First highlight - Reiterating his stance that Rodriguez made a racist comment, a pretty direct criticism.
Second highlight - Rodriguez's statement which he was forced into making after Bong posted a tweet minutes after the tribunal's verdict was made public which also continued to state, unequivocally, that he did not mishear and Rodriguez made racists remarks, whilst also misrepresenting Rodriguez's apology as him accepting he made a racist remark. Had Bong not made this statement chances are JR would have maintained the respectful minimum comment that he had done throughout the whole process, unlike Bong who went on international TV to state Rodriguez was racist (whilst simultaneously contradicting his statement in immediate aftermath of the incident, as highlighted in the tribunal's report).

Next.

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clapham_gull said:

That stand was full of solicitors was it ?

I can imagine the interchange...

Mmm, that chap seems unaware of the due process...

It seems so.

Do you think I should boo ?

Yes I think you should.

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