General Election 2017

JC Footy Genius · May 21, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Serious question though JC, because I'm intrigued - and don't use Corbyn as your answer - I know you're a sunny Jim Brexit type of guy, but why does May give you confidence? Don't get me wrong, I'm an optimist too, and I think negotiations might last a week before breaking down, I'm genuinely curious as to your optimism. (Just because we're British/it's in their interest/there has to be a deal - it's not going to work like that)

Firstly she is the only option anyone who voted Leave could really choose if they wanted to guarantee our exit from the EU. Secondly, it's in her self-interest to deliver as she (or her team) correctly realised going for real Brexit would collapse the UKIP vote reuniting the right, securing her a good majority. Rowing back on numerous commitments would breath life into UKIP and cause serious internal divisions in the Tory party. Plus I am a stone cold realist not a Sunny uplands type of guy. I expect there will be some watering down on principles but for the reasons I have given probably not too much.

studio150 · May 21, 2017

pastafarian said:
Of course we did.
One of your own has inadvertently shown this from something he posted.

Thanks for that

“no customs union tax”………so out of the customs union then.

“ we decide our own laws and govern ourselves”…..that would be removing ourselves from the primacy of The ECJ

“ sensible levels of immigration”….ooh ooh I know this one as well……take back control of EU migration and end free movement.

“ Britain can make its own trade deals across the world “…..ah that must mean we are no longer fully paid up members of The EU single/internal market.

Remind me again, if we knew this including [MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] and what the vote was for and you knew what the vote meant as well (its your evidence) why are you moaners now pretending it somehow wasn’t clear enough for you?

I will wait (and wait and wait and wait....) for

Food being 17% cheaper

Being £200 a month better off

Shorter waiting times etc

And to think that locally a Tory candidate has stated they wouldn't be happy with high tariffs but effectively saying that low tariffs are acceptable although we currently enjoy free trade within the EU.

This is me · May 21, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
If Theresa May is the question then Jeremy Corbyn is more than the answer! I honestly don't understand why anyone would vote Tory at this point unless they are in the 1% or in a very privileged position.

ManOfSussex · May 21, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Firstly she is the only option anyone who voted Leave could really choose if they wanted to guarantee our exit from the EU. Secondly, it's in her self-interest to deliver as she (or her team) correctly realised going for real Brexit would collapse the UKIP vote reuniting the right, securing her a good majority. Rowing back on numerous commitments would breath life into UKIP and cause serious internal divisions in the Tory party. Plus I am a stone cold realist not a Sunny uplands type of guy. I expect there will be some watering down on principles but for the reasons I have given probably not too much.

So want what Farage said but vote and get what May says then? Having lived down there, I see this going like South Africa post 1994.

nicko31 · May 21, 2017

Mustafa said:
If you haven't already registered to vote, just over 24 hours left to do so. Very quick and easy, just click here https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

Not sure who to vote for? Obviously, unless you're incredibly well off and lack any kind of empathy, you won't be voting for the abhorrent Conservatives - so this tactical voting calculator to get them out might make it that bit easier: https://www.tactical2017.com/

Tactical voting got Justin Trudeau into power in Canada. It could work

You can't help that the date of this election is a cynical ploy to stop many young people from voting, many will be right in the middle of their exams. JC should have never agreed to the election on these terms

ManOfSussex · May 21, 2017

nicko31 said:
You can't help that the date of this election is a cynical ploy to stop many young people from voting

That's why they're suggesting photo ID for future voting - it stops 3million+ from voting unless they pay £72 for a passport. You can't have the plebs voting in an election.

nicko31 · May 21, 2017

studio150 said:
I will wait (and wait and wait and wait....) for

Food being 17% cheaper

Being £200 a month better off

Shorter waiting times etc

And to think that locally a Tory candidate has stated they wouldn't be happy with high tariffs but effectively saying that low tariffs are acceptable although we currently enjoy free trade within the EU.

Have you noticed that no Tory in the campaign is telling you that you are going to be better off in the near future, wonder why...

supaseagull · May 21, 2017

nicko31 said:
Tactical voting got Justin Trudeau into power in Canada. It could work

You can't help that the date of this election is a cynical ploy to stop many young people from voting, many will be right in the middle of their exams. JC should have never agreed to the election on these terms

I can see your intentions are there, but having an 18 year old son myself who's at college, it makes no difference to him. He knows who he's voting for and it'll take him less than 5 minutes after college to vote.

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JC Footy Genius · May 21, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
If Theresa May is the question then Jeremy Corbyn is more than the answer! I honestly don't understand why anyone would vote Tory at this point unless they are in the 1% or in a very privileged position.

No if we're being serious the Question should be .. If you want perpetual, incompetent opposition, internal divisions and splits in the Labour Party ..

Brian Fantana · May 21, 2017

I do find it interesting that over the last few weeks Labour have dismissed the opinion polls as being utter nonsense, yet suddenly start to take them as gospel once they look a bit more favourable.

Personally, I think the Tory manifesto is horribly misguided but I still can't vote for a party that would contain Corbyn, McDonnell and Diane Abbott in government.

vegster · May 21, 2017

I'm just wondering if the faithful Tory voters will realise what Mrs May's social care plans will actually do to the value of all those nice detached and semi-detached houses.........£100,000 if you lose the lottery of life and have the misfortune to develop Alzheimer's or dementia. When big corporations and multi millionaires are dodging taxes that could support social care and the NHS it comes down to Tory Middle England to fill the funding gap.

And what happens when Generation Rent get ill in 40 years and they don't have a property to be sold off to fund their care ? Vote May, Vote turkey, Vote Christmas !

beorhthelm · May 21, 2017

vegster said:
I'm just wondering if the faithful Tory voters will realise what Mrs May's social care plans will actually do to the value of all those nice detached and semi-detached houses.........£100,000 if you lose the lottery of life and have the misfortune to develop Alzheimer's or dementia. When big corporations and multi millionaires are dodging taxes that could support social care and the NHS it comes down to Tory Middle England to fill the funding gap.

And what happens when Generation Rent get ill in 40 years and they don't have a property to be sold off to fund their care ? Vote May, Vote turkey, Vote Christmas !

seems to me that more housing stock will come on to the market, and therefore generation rent will become home owners. are you suggesting this policy has an unintended consequence of solving housing problems? good job too, as neither party have bothered with practical policy in this area.

JC Footy Genius · May 21, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
So want what Farage said but vote and get what May says then? Having lived down there, I see this going like South Africa post 1994.

Farage said we should leave the EU, May says we are leaving the EU. That will probably be enough for most people in the short term. Allowing ongoing mass migration then yes you could be right.

T.G · May 21, 2017

Brian Fantana said:
I do find it interesting that over the last few weeks Labour have dismissed the opinion polls as being utter nonsense, yet suddenly start to take them as gospel once they look a bit more favourable.

Personally, I think the Tory manifesto is horribly misguided but I still can't vote for a party that would contain Corbyn, McDonnell and Diane Abbott in government.

Then vote for policies and not personalities

T.G · May 21, 2017

jakarta said:
It isn't Tory Media BS regarding Corbyn's backing of the IRA, it's simply historical facts.

As a life long Back Bencher he never thought he would ever have a chance of wielding power so of course he could do it with impunity.

Now he has to live with it - electoral poison to those that lived through those years and/or had friends & relations in the Forces.

He won a peace prize !!!! He was doing a great service to the people of Ireland and the UK. The Tories were a large part of those negotiations with the IRA and they still have an ex IRA member in their ranks...who has apologised for the violence. Do you seriously believe that this is not pro-tory propaganda

? Unreal

BadFish · May 21, 2017

T.G said:
Then vote for policies and not personalities

This! Its politics, not a reality game show.

T.G · May 21, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
No if we're being serious the Question should be .. If you want perpetual, incompetent opposition, internal divisions and splits in the Labour Party ..

The Tory Party have had a civil war over the EU and the cracks are still there for all to see. They just have a more sympathetic media and are probably more able to disguise their turmoil. As for incompetent, have you read their manifesto. It seems they have either given up lying or so supremely arrogant they think they will win no matter what. As for perpetual, well thats what I'm hoping for in a Labour government.

Wrong-Direction · May 21, 2017

The reason you hate Jeremy is because the media has told you to, idiots.

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GT49er · May 22, 2017

T.G said:
The Tory Party have had a civil war over the EU and the cracks are still there for all to see.

And you seriously think it's only the Tory party that have conflicting views over the EU? Wow.

Corbyn (reluctantly maybe 7/10in favour of remaining, he said - a half hearted endorsement of remain that greatly helped the leave campaign) is more a leaver than a remainer, so are vast numbers of Labour voters, as well as other factions of the Labour party. The post Blair-ite London-centric Chelsea socialist PLP are all, of course, gung-ho pro EU, which is why Labour cannot be trusted to oversee Brexit. Once we're safely and irrevocably out though..........

Deleted member 22389 · May 22, 2017

GT49er said:
And you seriously think it's only the Tory party that have conflicting views over the EU? Wow.

Corbyn (reluctantly maybe 7/10in favour of remaining, he said - a half hearted endorsement of remain that greatly helped the leave campaign) is more a leaver than a remainer, so are vast numbers of Labour voters, as well as other factions of the Labour party. The post Blair-ite London-centric Chelsea socialist PLP are all, of course, gung-ho pro EU, which is why Labour cannot be trusted to oversee Brexit. Once we're safely and irrevocably out though..........

If, and this is a big if, Labour somehow manage to win this election my biggest concern with them would be following through with Brexit. They want a deal but they have never explained to people what would happen if we didn't get a deal. We all know the EU doesn't do deals, that is plain to see, and Labour are very shady on this whole issue. Your right, Labour cannot be trusted to see through Brexit ever.

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