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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Bliss as they say.
nicko31
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Oh come on. That must be more fake news. We were told that inward investment would stop, that jobs would be lost, that interest rates would rise and wages would fall.
Oh, and that there would be a £30bln emergency budget and WW3.
Haven't you seen the destitution in the country; how will all these poor people be able to afford to upgrade their smart phones? It's bad, and all caused by those nasty thick, racist Brexit voters
We are already seeing declining inward investment across many industries especially financial services (our cash cow) and wages are already falling inline with inflation.
Without sounding unpatriotic, I'm not sure the UK is the place to invest, the maverick language from many in the government towards WTO rules would scare me
Ignorance for many till now is bliss, but when the penny does finally drop with the public it will be too late.
larus
Well-known member
The problem with you Remainers is that you constantly assume the worst.
We've been told that as soon as there was a Brexit vote the economy would crash. It hasn't happened.
We were told that inward investment would stop. Well, that doesn't appear to be happening.
Then the Remainers said, "Oh, when we said straight after the vote, we didn't really mean that, we meant when Brexit gets triggered". No doubt, that will change to be, when Brexit happens. Then when Brexit happens and things keep on improving, if we happen to have a recession 2-3 years (or whenever) after Brexit, you'll all be on here saying it's the fault of Brexit. Don't you see, all you continually do is say that any piece of potentially bad data/news is the fault of Brexit.
Even now, you are giving your opinion and not backing things with facts ("I'm not sure the UK is the place to invest"). Well, Toyota seem to think differently to you.
As for financial services, have you not picked up on the clear change in language from before to after the Brexit vote. It's recognised that London is an international leading financial centre not because of the EU. It's the complete infrastructure. The banks are admitting that and the EU know that, even if they manage to secure a small part of the services from London, the overwhelming majority will still reside within London. The same infrastructure does not exist anywhere else in Europe - only the US with Wall Street is close.
London is not going to lose this position overnight and it sure won't lose it because of being outside of the single market.
Also, there will be an agreement, but you can't seem to understand there is public posturing going on from both sides (the UK and EU) to their own audiences. You need to ignore to a certain extent the public stbatements from sides, as the end result will be something which is in the interests of both sides.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,747
Absolutely........nicely schooled .........remember for some remainers on here they need this kind of message delivered in a "the cat sat on the mat" style.
At least a 1000 times a week it would appear......
daveinprague
New member
to repeat.
Johan van Zyl, chief executive of Toyota Motor Europe, said the investment showed that the company was doing all it could to make Burnaston more competitive.
However, he warned: "Continued tariff-and-barrier free market access between the UK and Europe that is predictable and uncomplicated will be vital for future success."
studio150
Well-known member
Do try and keep up with the financial services sector
http://news.sky.com/story/sadiq-khan-warns-banks-ready-to-start-exit-plans-without-brexit-transition-10801619
larus
Well-known member
Oh dear. Sadiq Kahn (an ardent remainer) has warned the banks COULD start.
Guess what. I could win the lottery.
This is just more hot air from the losing side and is not worth further debate. Come back when there is an announcement of substantive job losses due to financial companies relocating (which ain't gonna happen, so matter what Sadiq Khan spouts).
Move along - nothing to see here
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studio150
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Oh dear. Sadiq Kahn (an ardent remainer) has warned the banks COULD start.
Guess what. I could win the lottery.
This is just more hot air from the losing side and is not worth further debate. Come back when there is an announcement of substantive job losses due to financial companies relocating (which ain't gonna happen, so matter what Sadiq Khan spouts).
Move along - nothing to see here
Typical denial by a leaver.
Given that you have stated that the financial sector wont lose their position if the UK is outside of the free market perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to how they will be able to sell their products in the EU given that as soon as we leave the EU they are no longer regulated to trade within the EU.
Oh, I understand. I just think you're full of shit. I think that people who read aggression in everything are usually very defensive and often very insecure. Something to hide, they find questions intimidating and fire back with accusations of aggression that are simply imagined.
TB
TC
This is a key point - London will continue as a financial centre, but not for the EU. Over the course of the next few years most (if not all) financial institutions will gradually move operations to the EU. They will still have a presence in London (because there is business to be done outside the EU), but gradually this presence will diminish. I know bankers aren't much loved, but the Financial Services sector provides around 12% of total government receipts - effectively it funds two thirds of the NHS. Not only are we critically undermining one of our key industries, but Brexit is going to dramatically reduce tax revenues in the future. The net result will be a substantially poorer country, and a MUCH reduced NHS. Unfortunately David Davis hasn't yet got round to working this out.
larus
Well-known member
Typical bed-wetting from a remainer.
If that were really the case (that they couldn't sell to the EU), then why aren't all of the financial institutions actively moving people now and getting the infrastructure in place. Christ, how long do you think it would take to get these companies up to speed in another country? It would be years. But nothing is happening apart from some bed-wetting headlines couched with words like "COULD". If this were a real problem, due diligence would be forcing these companies to be acting now, and it would be all over the news.
You really shouldn't worry about things that aren't going to happen.
daveinprague
New member
https://www.ft.com/content/a3a92744-3a52-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...epare-to-leave-uk_uk_580c628de4b0fce107d0e564
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks-idUKKCN12M0TZ
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/18/news/economy/brexit-banks-financial-services/
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...business-overseas-by-early-2017-a3376431.html
Anyone who believes we can withdraw from the most powerful trading union in the world and still have an influential voice in international trade is frankly, deluded.
Publius Ovidius
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Hopefully this comes out and people can see this, but is this what people voted for?
https://mobile.twitter.com/CommonsEUexit/status/842067171656273920/video/1
Maybe people voted for 30-40% tariffs on food and dropping out of the reciprocal health agreements and flights agreements?
Certainly he is very blunt in his anticipation of what the negotiations are all going to be about. I wonder how much the EU will want us to pay for this!
https://mobile.twitter.com/CommonsEUexit/status/842067171656273920/video/1
Maybe people voted for 30-40% tariffs on food and dropping out of the reciprocal health agreements and flights agreements?
Certainly he is very blunt in his anticipation of what the negotiations are all going to be about. I wonder how much the EU will want us to pay for this!
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Perhaps without these awful,polluting,jet flights in our skies,we might be able to meet the EU standards for clean air.Perhaps this would lead to a Europe wide ban on jet flights and then we could all go back to sailing ships and steam engines.
About as likely as the no-flights scenario!
About as likely as the no-flights scenario!
studio150
Well-known member
OK keep your head in the sand while singing 'don't worry be happy' and everything will be just fine.
You did of course fail to answer how the financial services will continue to trade within the EU when the UK is no longer in the free market.
cheshunt seagull
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- Jul 5, 2003
- 2,498
The entertainment value of the increasingly ridiculous contortions of the true patriots as they attempt to show that earth is flat is about the only, and very small, positive to come out of this sorry mess.
nicko31
Well-known member
There is already a slow drain happening, anyone who knows people high up in banking or accounting firms will tell you this. You can't exit the biggest trading block on the planet and expect things to carry on.
A lot depends on passporting rights, if they go London could lose 25% of its jobs in financial services. Its nice to see be investment with Toyota but its small fry in the scheme of things
The pound is 20% lower against USD and hasn't recovered for a reason.
The leavers are in denial or know it and are just trying to save face. Its not easy to admit you're argument is slowly being undone. We will survive but it will be at a price
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Anyone who believes the EU will be the most powerful trading union in the world after we withdraw is delusional and needs to give their head an even bigger wobble.
