[Football] VAR does not work for England

GT49er · Jun 19, 2018

Albion my Albion said:
Do you think maybe, just maybe, our allegiance to England taints the way we see the way VAR is used. There have been many strikers who could have been given fouls called. Referees call a game a certain way and if it doesn't fit the fans allegiance than those fans will scream bloody murder.

No. We will, of course, have been watching more carefully, subjecting decisions to a greater degree of scrutiny, but that's different from seeing it through England tinted spectacles.

The Large One said:
Maybe, and fans of other countries probably have been doing the same. We just haven't heard about it. Brazil have just asked FIFA for an explanation into why VAR wasn't used on two incidents in their game with Switzerland.

Good for them - I don't know what the incidents being queried are, but I'd certainly be interested to know, and what the response is. Presumably, as the evidence is officially recorded, appeals can be made at any time - but what sanctions can be applied? Maybe one more thing about VAR that hasn't been thought through yet.

The Large One · Jun 19, 2018

GT49er said:
Good for them - I don't know what the incidents being queried are, but I'd certainly be interested to know, and what the response is. Presumably, as the evidence is officially recorded, appeals can be made at any time - but what sanctions can be applied? Maybe one more thing about VAR that hasn't been thought through yet.

You can't chalk off a goal two days later because of (in this instance) a push.

Retrospective red cards - and therefore bans - I'd welcome, but that doesn't come under 'VAR', just 'video evidence'. Not that anything springs to mind in the tournament so far that would justify that.

Sheebo · Jun 19, 2018

Icy Gull said:
They were funny, don’t be embarrassed. It was a great evening to be a drunk English fan,

timbha said:
No, no. Well played sir, it made a good night last a bit longer. Wish we had a bit more passion for our country rather than all those who mock those of us who watch all the friendlies and qualifiers and then jump on the band wagon about now, who then think they have the right to an opinion!
Start on the java on Saturday night and carry on Sunday morning...... then start posting on here please

TBF bringing the death of Jihadi John into a thread about VAR is one of my NSC all time achievements!

Ps this is my chest

Albion my Albion · Jun 19, 2018

Where's the red & white paint?

GT49er · Jun 19, 2018

The Large One said:
You can't chalk off a goal two days later because of (in this instance) a push.

Of course not - neither can you change the result of a game - I realise that, hence my question about what sanctions could be applied.

The Large One said:
Retrospective red cards - and therefore bans - I'd welcome, but that doesn't come under 'VAR', just 'video evidence'. Not that anything springs to mind in the tournament so far that would justify that.

Retrospective yellows too - they would probably be 'easier' to give.

GT49er · Jun 19, 2018

The Large One said:
You can't chalk off a goal two days later because of (in this instance) a push.

Of course not - neither can you change the result of a game - I realise that, hence my question about what sanctions could be applied.

The Large One said:
Retrospective red cards - and therefore bans - I'd welcome, but that doesn't come under 'VAR', just 'video evidence'. Not that anything springs to mind in the tournament so far that would justify that.

Retrospective yellows too - they would probably be 'easier' to give.

timbha · Jun 19, 2018

sheebo said:
TBF bringing the death of Jihadi John into a thread about VAR is one of my NSC all time achievements!

Ps this is my chest View attachment 97879

Why did you have a light aircraft shaved on your chest?

Sheebo · Jun 19, 2018

timbha said:
Why did you have a light aircraft shaved on your chest?

I'm a plane spotter

brakespear · Jun 19, 2018

I think the Tunisian penalty was a penalty, albeit soft. I think the first rugby tackle on Kane should have been a penalty, not sure on the second as haven't seen it more than once (the video on the thread has been deleted). I think the biggest impediment to England's progress throughout the match though was neither VAR or the ref but our own players wasting so many chances so maybe people do need to look elsewhere for something to blame

Weststander · Jun 19, 2018

sheebo said:
TBF bringing the death of Jihadi John into a thread about VAR is one of my NSC all time achievements!

Ps this is my chest View attachment 97879

Gorilla Alopecia?

Kinky Gerbil · Jun 19, 2018

I’m hoping this could work in our favour.

Refs won’t want to make the same mistakes on Kane so will be watching him.

The ref was rubbish, he has history of being shite with Var.

Easy 10 · Jun 19, 2018

brakespear said:
I think the Tunisian penalty was a penalty, albeit soft. I think the first rugby tackle on Kane should have been a penalty, not sure on the second as haven't seen it more than once (the video on the thread has been deleted). I think the biggest impediment to England's progress throughout the match though was neither VAR or the ref but our own players wasting so many chances so maybe people do need to look elsewhere for something to blame

Nobody is saying England weren't profligate, they clearly were. But it doesn't mean there weren't other factors at play that made the result that much more difficult - primarily the fact that Tunisia were awarded the softest of pens when that little weasel Youssef went down clutching his face in fake agony, whilst England were denied two big penalty shouts that the officials weren't even interested in looking at.

Its true that none of that would've mattered so much had we stuck away those numerous chances, but Tunisia were very nearly assisted by the officials to a totally undeserved point.

Biscuit · Jun 19, 2018

It's a World Cup being hosted by Russia. I'm not at all surprised that Tunisia were awarded a soft penalty the only time they ventured into our box. VAR provides the Russian state with a really, really easy way to stack the cards against us. Do you honestly think Russia would allow England to win a World Cup on their turf?

Munkfish · Jun 19, 2018

Kinky Gerbils said:
I’m hoping this could work in our favour.

Refs won’t want to make the same mistakes on Kane so will be watching him.

The ref was rubbish, he has history of being shite with Var.

I am hoping for the same, normally these decsions go against us and wego out, luckily this time around we didnt get the decsions in our favour but it didnt cost us.

All Refs going forward will surely be more inclined to keep an eye on Harry in the box.

Weststander · Jun 19, 2018

Easy 10 said:
Nobody is saying England weren't profligate, they clearly were. But it doesn't mean there weren't other factors at play that made the result that much more difficult - primarily the fact that Tunisia were awarded the softest of pens when that little weasel Youssef went down clutching his face in fake agony, whilst England were denied two big penalty shouts that the officials weren't even interested in looking at.

Its true that none of that would've mattered so much had we stuck away those numerous chances, but Tunisia were very nearly assisted by the officials to a totally undeserved point.

Summed up perfectly.

Gwylan · Jun 19, 2018

GT49er said:
No. We will, of course, have been watching more carefully, subjecting decisions to a greater degree of scrutiny, but that's different from seeing it through England tinted spectacles.

Hmmm ...

Biscuit said:
VAR provides the Russian state with a really, really easy way to stack the cards against us. Do you honestly think Russia would allow England to win a World Cup on their turf?

Oh dear

Biscuit · Jun 19, 2018

Gwylan said:
Oh dear

They rig elections without batting an eyelid. If you think for one moment they couldn't or wouldn't influence the outcome of the WC you're gravely naive.

Gwylan · Jun 19, 2018

Biscuit said:
They rig elections without batting an eyelid. If you think for one moment they couldn't or wouldn't influence the outcome of the WC you're gravely naive.

Where have I suggested otherwise?

I was pointing out that your assertion is a direct contradiction of GT49er's suggestion that we're debating this because we have a keen interest in England rather than thinking England are being singled out for special treatment.

Albion my Albion · Jun 19, 2018

Biscuit said:
It's a World Cup being hosted by Russia. I'm not at all surprised that Tunisia were awarded a soft penalty the only time they ventured into our box. VAR provides the Russian state with a really, really easy way to stack the cards against us. Do you honestly think Russia would allow England to win a World Cup on their turf?

This is a innocent question without a presumed answer. What exactly does anybody who is Russian have to do with the VAR process?

seagulls4ever · Jun 19, 2018

BBC says FIFA is going investigate VAR after last night.

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