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[Politics] How have you political views changed during your life?



Tyrone Biggums

Well-known member
Jun 25, 2006
13,498
Geelong, Australia
Some people hate people having freedom, especially freedoms of speech.....see SJW and university campuses

There is a splintering of the left in the US going on.

The liberal old school left who also prize freedom of speech are at war with these university morons who are even turning on the old school liberals and calling them fascists.
 


The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jan 11, 2016
24,278
West is BEST
No, you are a mental case who likes spewing his bile at his bettters, that would be about everyone. Put a sock in it and try not to ruin another thread with your moron antics.

Grow up.
 


portslade seagull

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2003
17,588
portslade
Been Labour all my life until Corbyn came along. Will vote Tory until he has gone to keep him out. If people think the current lot are a train crash wait for his lot and momentum it will be a disaster
 


Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
24,721
Worthing
I’ve been left wing since before I could vote ( no role model guidance either) and am still as left now.

It worries me sometimes though to be honest.
I see so much hypocrisy in the Labour Party but a hundred times more with the Tories.
 


amexer

Well-known member
Aug 8, 2011
6,153
Used to be very left but now in real world. Profit is not a dirty word and most of us have to make it to pay for vast public services. So many public servants working for councils are very nice people but incompetent and wouldnt last a week in a private job. With 5% of tax payers paying 50% of tax revenue cant see Corbyn keeping them happy. Many people in need that dont get enough but politicians not willing to make decisions like means testing heating allowance bus passes and charging small fee to see Doctor. etc
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patreon
Jul 11, 2003
59,198
The Fatherland
Used to be very left but now in real world.

I voted Tory (once) until I got into the real world. Funny how we see things differently?
 




Bevendean Hillbilly

New member
Sep 4, 2006
12,805
Nestling in green nowhere
As a "new labour" supporter I bought into the idea of capitalist leftism. I still think that, barring the Iraq war, Blair was the finest PM we've had post war.

I have definitely hardened my views on multiculturalism over the years, due mainly to the work of Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Majid Nawaz and Hirsi Alli.

I am sick of Muslim obfuscators, leftist snowflakes and the media who insist that Islam is our friend, criticism of Muslim ideas is racist and that tolerance means surrendering hard fought freedoms I speech and thought to the most intolerant primitivism on the face of the earth.

I had to read the Koran and the Hadith and S-ura to define my view that it is totally incompatible with Western ideas...it was a slog...what a load of shite it really is.

Every time there's a Muslim apologist repeating that ISIS, Al Shabaab, Boko Haram and Al Quaeda aren't real Muslims I nearly blow a rod. The utterances of those groups are 100% Islamic. What the moderates want you to believe is that there are 2 islams a nice one and a nasty one...there isn't. They're both the same. The moderates just choose to leave out about 1/2 of the verses they quote.

We have to wake up to this threat. It might already be too late...but we have to wake up.
 








Trevor

In my Fifties, still know nothing
NSC Patreon
Dec 16, 2012
2,148
Milton Keynes
I think that I can relate my political views when I was 16-18. I would have liked to have thought that I was in the political middle ground and generally supported the views of SDP / liberal alliance. I think in truth my views are a bit left of centre but I don't align to a particular party. Certainly my views have changed on a few specific issues (The Importance of the second house being one) ( the importance of investment in the NHS and the care system being another - but that's with life experience)
 






Shropshire Seagull

Well-known member
Nov 5, 2004
8,477
Telford
Wonderful how we all share such diverse views, and yet we're all correct.

I was bought up in a "work-hard and enjoy the fruits of your labour" type household - my dad was born into a council housed family in the 1920's but broke the mould - he grasped the opportunities of an education - got a scholarship for a grammar school - went to uni and grafted for a decent income. This philosophy was inherited by me - I fully support the need to help those who are unable to exploit the capitalist market for themselves but I despise the socialist/communist view of helping everyone. Laziness is a socialist trait with a mindset of, why do I need to work hard when I will be looked after - they lack ambition for betterment.

Generally, as we get older our general wealth increases - we have a mortgage and eventual home-ownership - we own assets like cars and we tend to desire more wealth. In a capitalist market, this is achievable with hard-work and luck. It will be very interesting to see if China can hang on to its communist ideals as it follows market forces towards the western economy.

Perhaps, more important is not how individual political views move, but how nations views swing - USSR and GDR being key pointers ....

As others have eluded to, I don see a perfect fit in any of our current political parties, so vote for least-undesirable - UKIP, Lib/Dems & Tory over the last 20 years.
 


ALBION28

Active member
Jul 26, 2011
308
DONCASTER
Now being in my sixties a lot of water has gone under the bridge. I formed my political leaning started to form when seeing my father touch his forelock and bow to the gentry. To me this was shameful, but he explained you did as you were told. He was from a farming family, just farm workers. Living in a tied cottage and dependent on his 'betters' for work. The development of Crawley released him from the servitude but not the habit/requirement of voting Conservative. I saw many like him. Sussex was at one time all about farming., 'oh .we plough and sow and we reap and mow.and useful men are we'. Hard for youngsters to believe Sussex was like that.I was determined I would not bow, I would challenge. My father and others would hush me they knew it could reflect on them. Luckily times were changing the 1960's and seventies brought many changes and freedoms, age brought responsibility. I stood and won a seat on a local council as an independent. All the other councillors were Conservative. They listened but were shocked by my suggesting we might actually put a penny on the rates as it would provide so many services. I lost and could see Sussex (West) would constantly remain (proudly bottom of the league for spending and services) I left the area. Hull was my, as it turned out, wise choice. My eyes were opening, then to Sweden where I came to realise there was a better way to run a country. Fair and open to equal opportunity not judged by your station in life, there is no class system in Sweden. On return, I started to put forward ideas and I remain that way inclined despite advancing years The gentry gave way to the I'm alright Jack brigade.' Some have done ok for themselves but many have not and we have a very divided nation and if you think we don't have an elitist system then you are not looking. So where do I stand now, well I have voted for the Greens, Labour, Lib Dems even Ukip to challenge the cancer of conservatism but it goes on, sadly never to end?
 




Hastings gull

Well-known member
Nov 23, 2013
4,635
I completely disagree. I want a good social safety net for everyone. But if you are happy with being on the bottom rung it is not a socialist problem, it is due to upbringing and a national mindset of which we are all responsible for setting.

You may well be right in that upbringing clearly plays a major part but to assert, as you do, that a national mindset is responsible for all those on the bottom rung is absurd. Having spent 35 years teaching, 20 of then in pastoral work, I can assure you that the folk we are talking about, have resisted all appeals to change behaviour and see education for the avenue to better employment chances. Indeed your two reasons are somewhat contradictory - if upbringing has been such that you have no ambition, then a national mindset is irrelevant.
 


BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
17,013
Now being in my sixties a lot of water has gone under the bridge. I formed my political leaning started to form when seeing my father touch his forelock and bow to the gentry. To me this was shameful, but he explained you did as you were told. He was from a farming family, just farm workers. Living in a tied cottage and dependent on his 'betters' for work. The development of Crawley released him from the servitude but not the habit/requirement of voting Conservative. I saw many like him. Sussex was at one time all about farming., 'oh .we plough and sow and we reap and mow.and useful men are we'. Hard for youngsters to believe Sussex was like that.I was determined I would not bow, I would challenge. My father and others would hush me they knew it could reflect on them. Luckily times were changing the 1960's and seventies brought many changes and freedoms, age brought responsibility. I stood and won a seat on a local council as an independent. All the other councillors were Conservative. They listened but were shocked by my suggesting we might actually put a penny on the rates as it would provide so many services. I lost and could see Sussex (West) would constantly remain (proudly bottom of the league for spending and services) I left the area. Hull was my, as it turned out, wise choice. My eyes were opening, then to Sweden where I came to realise there was a better way to run a country. Fair and open to equal opportunity not judged by your station in life, there is no class system in Sweden. On return, I started to put forward ideas and I remain that way inclined despite advancing years The gentry gave way to the I'm alright Jack brigade.' Some have done ok for themselves but many have not and we have a very divided nation and if you think we don't have an elitist system then you are not looking. So where do I stand now, well I have voted for the Greens, Labour, Lib Dems even Ukip to challenge the cancer of conservatism but it goes on, sadly never to end?
Best post I have read on here for a long time. Very interesting background and view of a huge change in society.


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pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
If I recall correctly, I'm more-or-less 10 years younger than you, so 1997 was the first time I voted in anything. I first voted Tory though in the 2001 General Election in Bexhill & Battle, as UKIP and this guy called Farage, was standing and claimed he actually could win, as well as repeatedly saying, backed by the outgoing Tory MP of Charles Wardle among others, that the new Tory candidate of Greg Barker was a 'highly inappropriate' choice, without elaborating as to why. It was in 2006 that Greg Barker came out as being gay and left his wife for a male Irish interior designer. It ultimately didn't bother me one way or the other, but it's genuinely the one time I'm really pleased I voted Tory though.

Not sure i get your point here, if you are trying to make one, what is the relevance of "It was in 2006 that Greg Barker came out as being gay and left his wife for a male Irish interior designer" to the rest of your post?......indeed what is the relevance of that statement and his sexuality to anything?
 


Nitram

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2013
2,178
You would have to be a bit of a half-wit if views had not changed during your life, or someone whose circumstances had never changed.
 




ManOfSussex

We wunt be druv
Apr 11, 2016
14,730
Rape of Hastings, Sussex
Not sure i get your point here, if you are trying to make one, what is the relevance of "It was in 2006 that Greg Barker came out as being gay and left his wife for a male Irish interior designer" to the rest of your post?......indeed what is the relevance of that statement and his sexuality to anything?

It's relevance is to what Farage actually meant when he was repeatably describing Barker as a 'highly inappropriate' choice in 2001 without elaborating as to why.
 


pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Crumbs,are you saying Farage and Wardle (who also said it) were saying Barker was a highly inappropriate candidate in 2001 because they thought or knew he was gay and they considered gay as highly inappropriate, which he didnt come out to until 2006
is this really your thinking on this?
 



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