I am with you on the Western Hypocrisy but does not excuse the fact that they were disrespectful to the people who lost their lives. The Western Hypocrisy can be challenged in other avenues. There is a time an a place for everything
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Turkish Fans & minutes Silence in Instanbal
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I am with you on the Western Hypocrisy but does not excuse the fact that they were disrespectful to the people who lost their lives. The Western Hypocrisy can be challenged in other avenues. There is a time an a place for everything
Yoda
English & European
Apparently some ISIS supporters haven't got the message. Here's a huge ISIS flag being waved at a football match in Tunisia.
Err Buzzer, My Arabic is pretty much non existent, but the line on the bottom is completely different to their actual flag:
I wouldn't be surprised if is says something condemning ISIL. Remember similar looking flag at the Notting Hill Carnival last year causing a stir too?
Megazone
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Err Buzzer, My Arabic is pretty much non existent, but the line on the bottom is completely different to their actual flag:
I wouldn't be surprised if is says something condemning ISIL. Remember similar looking flag at the Notting Hill Carnival this year causing a stir too?
Mine too, although the bit in the middle appears to be the same. Maybe it's the equivalent of the Cross of St George with 'Albion' or some lesser club printed on it.....the bottom line being a local group. I dunno, just speculating
atfc village
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England get based in Marseille with Turkey nice and peacefull.
Pretty pink fairy
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looney
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I thought the minute silence was due to a football groundbeing targetted?
Not sure what liverpool has to do with millwall.
http://www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?41795-Millwall-Need-our-Help
Pavilionaire
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Bit of an overreaction to this IMHO.
Given the bombings in Ankara received modest coverage in the West, given the fact they're having to deal with hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria / Iraq, and given the fact they have ISIS on their doorstep I can understand why it may well be that the minutes silence wasn't observed by everyone at the match.
Given the bombings in Ankara received modest coverage in the West, given the fact they're having to deal with hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria / Iraq, and given the fact they have ISIS on their doorstep I can understand why it may well be that the minutes silence wasn't observed by everyone at the match.
Buzzer
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Given the nonsensical alternative that you offered i'm going to take a punt that you think there's a bit of hypocrisy at play here by the West. It's not - it's not at all and the word 'WEST' is the key here. We can't mark every tragedy in the world because most of them have no meaning or a part in our lives. The ones that we do feel are because of proximity and shared values, compatible cultures, friendships and loyalties. There's a group of countries that get referred to as the 'West' that share all those attributes, so when 120 people are brutally murdered in Paris on a Friday night it will hit home harder to British, Irish, Spanish, Germans etc than say 130 children being murdered in Pakistan.
Turkey aren't part of the West - it's clear from what you and I have both written so when tragedies occur in that country, as awful as they are, we're not going to feel the same way about it so our reactions to both will be different. That's not hypocrisy.
Given that, it probably was not advisable to have a minute's silence in Turkey but if I understand correctly they are complaining that we don't acknowledge their dead soldiers. Christ on a bike, soldiers die all the time. This was 120 innocent civilians murdered in one fell swoop. You cannot compare the two and the Turks are being both stupid and unreasonable if they think it's comparable.
Mackenzie
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And I'm not sure that you read the article to the end.
Thunder Bolt
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Read the article. It starts off by talking about a false accusation of racist chanting against Craig Bellamy during our game against Liverpool.
Several paragraphs later it mentions the false accusations made against us of chanting Seig Heil at the Millwall game. Brighton fans not Millwall fans.
Thunder Bolt
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It's hard work, isn't it?
symyjym
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Maybe there should be a minutes silence on the March 20th?
Mackenzie
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Makes you wonder why you bother.
Franks Wild Years
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I don't think they're referring to soldiers Buzzer, I think they're referring to the 95 Turkish people killed and 250 injured in the recent suicide bomb attacks in Ankara. If the explanation I was given is to be believed the Turkish supporters were in their own cack handed way identifying with the victims of the Paris attacks.
Buzzer
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Apparently the story was broken by Ahmad Mousavi, a journalist in Tehran who verified its authenticity. He said that the words had been changed at the bottom of the flag but the top and middle bits do say ISIS.
No maybe I didn't on my phone and sometimes can't be arsed to go past the adverts, sorry for my laziness, but that ariticle. Is still incorrect as the sun accused millwall of singing seig and from what I remember they put a small ariticle in the paper a few days later apologising. I could be wrong but how I remember it.
Sheebo
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First time I've heard the corner theory?! I'd assume he was commenting on the constant arm movement of the 'seagulls' chant rather than one specific incident of a corner?!
I thought they'd got it upside down and it actually says "nirpininp" which is an ancient Arabic insult/threat, roughly translated as "do you know who I am?!".