Ulloa wants out?

JBizzle · Jul 7, 2014

British Bulldog said:
I think part of the problem is the club do a very good impression of sitting around doing nothing when it comes to signing players.

I guess the question is less about what the club says, rather what you believe.

Do you:

a) Believe the club is genuinely doing nothing to sign new players, or

b) Believe that they are working behind the scenes to find the best that is affordable and within budget?

For me it's b). The key thing is the best player within budget aspect. It will take longer to identify and attract players when we're taking our budget seriously and I'm happy to wait. I'll judge the clubs signings when we get to Sept 1st.

On Ulloa, he's just using his agent to say indirectly, "I want to go". However, we've seen in the past that this type of tactic has little of no impact on Bloom. If Leicester, or Sunderland or whomever fronts up the £10m we're allegedly looking for, he'll go. If not, he'll be playing for the Albion next season and no press leaks, agent comments or transfer maneouvres will change that!

Peter Grummit · Jul 7, 2014

JBizzle said:
I guess the question is less about what the club says, rather what you believe.

Do you:

a) Believe the club is genuinely doing nothing to sign new players, or

b) Believe that they are working behind the scenes to find the best that is affordable and within budget?

For me it's b). The key thing is the best player within budget aspect. It will take longer to identify and attract players when we're taking our budget seriously and I'm happy to wait. I'll judge the clubs signings when we get to Sept 1st.

On Ulloa, he's just using his agent to say indirectly, "I want to go". However, we've seen in the past that this type of tactic has little of no impact on Bloom. If Leicester, or Sunderland or whomever fronts up the £10m we're allegedly looking for, he'll go. If not, he'll be playing for the Albion next season and no press leaks, agent comments or transfer maneouvres will change that!

I agree. Be assured Burke with Bloom's backing will have a plan in place to replace Ulloa should it come to that, and the deals will be being set up back-to-back to minimise the risk. Ulloa looked distinctly disinterested at Lewes, but the good aspect of the transfer wi9ndow is system is that once the deadline has passed the speculation has to take a back seat until January.

PG

bhawoddy · Jul 7, 2014

JBizzle said:
I guess the question is less about what the club says, rather what you believe.

Do you:

a) Believe the club is genuinely doing nothing to sign new players, or

b) Believe that they are working behind the scenes to find the best that is affordable and within budget?

For me it's b). The key thing is the best player within budget aspect. It will take longer to identify and attract players when we're taking our budget seriously and I'm happy to wait. I'll judge the clubs signings when we get to Sept 1st.

On Ulloa, he's just using his agent to say indirectly, "I want to go". However, we've seen in the past that this type of tactic has little of no impact on Bloom. If Leicester, or Sunderland or whomever fronts up the £10m we're allegedly looking for, he'll go. If not, he'll be playing for the Albion next season and no press leaks, agent comments or transfer maneouvres will change that!

Bridcutt saga?

Zebedee · Jul 7, 2014

Peter Grummit said:
I agree. Be assured Burke with Bloom's backing will have a plan in place to replace Ulloa should it come to that, and the deals will be being set up back-to-back to minimise the risk. Ulloa looked distinctly disinterested at Lewes, but the good aspect of the transfer wi9ndow is system is that once the deadline has passed the speculation has to take a back seat until January.

PG

Just like we had to replace Barnes, of course.

Forgive me if I am a tad cynical.

Mellotron · Jul 7, 2014

Peter Grummit said:
I agree. Be assured Burke with Bloom's backing will have a plan in place to replace Ulloa should it come to that, and the deals will be being set up back-to-back to minimise the risk. Ulloa looked distinctly disinterested at Lewes, but the good aspect of the transfer wi9ndow is system is that once the deadline has passed the speculation has to take a back seat until January.

PG

Don't forget it took us 18 (EIGHTEEN) months to replace Murray.

bhawoddy · Jul 7, 2014

Peter Grummit said:
I agree. Be assured Burke with Bloom's backing will have a plan in place to replace Ulloa should it come to that, and the deals will be being set up back-to-back to minimise the risk. Ulloa looked distinctly disinterested at Lewes, but the good aspect of the transfer wi9ndow is system is that once the deadline has passed the speculation has to take a back seat until January.

PG

And risk the chance of having a potentially very unhappy player for 1/2 a season because u blocked his move by being Greedy?

Guinness Boy · Jul 7, 2014

Mellotron said:
Don't forget it took us 18 (EIGHTEEN) months to replace Murray.

It really didn't. Poyet thought he'd replaced him with CMS and Hoskins. He was wrong.

*EDIT* I see you've slightly edited your point to one I agree with more but my point still stands. We brought in players but not a like for like or improvement.

spanish flair · Jul 7, 2014

Mellotron said:
Don't forget it took us 18 (EIGHTEEN) months to replace Murray.

Have we replaced Barnes yet then? Who the club knew pretty much would be ofksi in January.

sparkie · Jul 7, 2014

spanish flair said:
Have we replaced Barnes yet then? Who the club knew pretty much would be ofksi in January.

Technically, yes - with Rodriguez, but he's now unreplaced in turn.

Mellotron · Jul 7, 2014

Guinness Boy said:
It really didn't. Poyet thought he'd replaced him with CMS and Hoskins. He was wrong.

*EDIT* I see you've slightly edited your point to one I agree with more but my point still stands. We brought in players but not a like for like or improvement.

It took us 18 months to replace Murray. Regardless of what you think of the other players brought in, that is true.

Rookie · Jul 7, 2014

Mellotron said:
Don't forget it took us 18 (EIGHTEEN) months to replace Murray.

We identified Ulloa long before he signed, it was the passport that held it up. I'm sure the club had others lined up but felt it was worth waiting for Ulloa.

Guinness Boy · Jul 7, 2014

Mellotron said:
It took us 18 months to replace Murray. Regardless of what you think of the other players brought in, that is true.

I'm not sure we've ever adequately replaced Murray. I don't think Ulloa is as much a complete player. I have fond memories of Murray holding it up, drawing actual fouls rather than diving and playing lovely little layoffs. Are they rose tinted?

Codner's Wallop · Jul 7, 2014

Guinness Boy said:
It really didn't. Poyet thought he'd replaced him with CMS and Hoskins. He was wrong.

*EDIT* I see you've slightly edited your point to one I agree with more but my point still stands. We brought in players but not a like for like or improvement.

Absolutely agree with this. Both Hoskins and CMS were on the face of it, very decent replacements for Murray. They had outstanding goal-scoring records in League 1 and remember, Murray was untested in the Championship.

Mellotron · Jul 7, 2014

Guinness Boy said:
Are they rose tinted?

Not entirely. The Ulloa of the first few months with us was a special player, but he was also playing in a superb side brimming with confidence.

Tooting Gull · Jul 7, 2014

Generally I think we all know how it goes when a Premier League club comes in for a Championship player, the numbers are just on a different scale.

Which is why it was very refreshing to see Craig Bryson turn down promoted Burnley and stay at Derby instead.

Derby are a huge club, bigger than Burnley, they had a great season even if it ended in bitter disappointment, he personally had a great season, and they deserved to go up not only over the whole year but in the play-off final itself.

It is a rare example these days of the bond between player and club being stronger than just the monthly cheque.

Diego Napier · Jul 7, 2014

British Bulldog said:
I think part of the problem is the club do a very good impression of sitting around doing nothing when it comes to signing players.

Relax.

There'll be lots of fans at lots of clubs saying the same as you.

I think the club have learnt a lesson from rushing in and splurging big money on player like CMS, Buckley & Hoskins.

For what it's worth, Palarse had a last minute wholesale import of players last year and it didn't do them too much harm.

Rugrat · Jul 7, 2014

Tooting Gull said:
Generally I think we all know how it goes when a Premier League club comes in for a Championship player, the numbers are just on a different scale.

Which is why it was very refreshing to see Craig Bryson turn down promoted Burnley and stay at Derby instead.

Derby are a huge club, bigger than Burnley, they had a great season even if it ended in bitter disappointment, he personally had a great season, and they deserved to go up not only over the whole year but in the play-off final itself.

It is a rare example these days of the bond between player and club being stronger than just the monthly cheque.

Burnley may well be playing a similar game to Blackpool. Perhaps the increase he was offered wasn't huge, short term and full of "clauses"

Even so I agree it's the exception

I just can't see Ulloa staying ... he'll want out to a decent payday and who can blame him? I'd imagine discussions are going on somewhere ... we generally get to see very little until the very end

JBizzle · Jul 7, 2014

bhawoddy said:
Bridcutt saga?

They paid our asking price or close enough. We got around £3m for what has turned out out to be a reserve defensive midfielder which, I think, ended up as decent business!

The point still stands around either paying our price of getting nowhere.

symyjym · Jul 7, 2014

Mo Gosfield said:
I'm disappointed with the lack of investment thus far but signings are on their way. He needs to be patient like the fans. He's had a lucky escape with Sammy Lee...he should be grateful for that, alone.

It is different for the club and the fans though. Bloom doesn't have to rush to the Prem, we clearly saw that last January, and the fans will always be fans. We have got 3, 5, 10 years plus to get to the Prem but players need to get there as quick as possible.

We have to be patient, but Ulloa, or any other player for that matter, cannot afford to be especially when other opportunities arise.

I won't begrudge him going especially if get good cash for him to reinvest on more up and coming young players with good poteential.

symyjym · Jul 7, 2014

Tooting Gull said:
Generally I think we all know how it goes when a Premier League club comes in for a Championship player, the numbers are just on a different scale.

Which is why it was very refreshing to see Craig Bryson turn down promoted Burnley and stay at Derby instead.

Derby are a huge club, bigger than Burnley, they had a great season even if it ended in bitter disappointment, he personally had a great season, and they deserved to go up not only over the whole year but in the play-off final itself.

It is a rare example these days of the bond between player and club being stronger than just the monthly cheque.

Derby are different to us, they have a strong squad and have retained their manager so they are looking to start their season as favourites for promotion. Us on the other hand are more or less starting from scratch with many unknowns.

In the ambition spectrum, on the face of it Derby have proven that they are more Prem ready than us, and their players believe that Derby want promotion as much as they do.

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