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[Albion] Do we really need a new striker



twickers

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
1,663
With chances few and far between does it matter how good our strikers are. We might as well get more attacking midfielders with the system we play. Our biggest problem is Dunk and Duffy failing to weigh in with any set piece goals despite numerous glorious chances. 3 or 4 goals at the right moment would have had us sitting comfortably just above halfway.

Bless you.
 




BensGrandad

New member
Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
With chances few and far between does it matter how good our strikers are. We might as well get more attacking midfielders with the system we play. Our biggest problem is Dunk and Duffy failing to weigh in with any set piece goals despite numerous glorious chances. 3 or 4 goals at the right moment would have had us sitting comfortably just above halfway.

Had they done their own job effectively we would have conceded less goals thus accumulating more points and still sit above half way. They are in the team primarily to stop goals being scored, either of them scoring an odd one is a bonus.
 


perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
23,456
Sūþseaxna
We rarely push enough people forward for those players to be in a scoring position. They are for corners, but:

1. We don't get as many as other teams
2. We're seemingly shit at them

Stats back this up. We do not get enough shots, the ones we do get are not accurate or are blocked. Another nine clubs are just as bad or not much better.

My sus is that we don't take as many wasteful no chances as other clubs, but this may be just down to preferences on shooting with the stronger foot.

Two seasons ago, heading from corners was strong and Stephens weighed in with a few goals as well. Kayal has never been a goalscorer in his career. I think our current players can improve. I hope so because a striker may not solve all the problems and a luxury striker like Moussa Dembele (Celtic) may lose as much as we gain by a reluctance to defend.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
70,161
Do we really need a new striker?

Are you for real? ???

Hemed and Baldock should have been shipped out last Summer. Probably had one half-decent season between the pair of them.

We need TWO new strikers. Proper ones, mind.
 


Perfidious Albion

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2011
6,025
At the end of my tether
Yes.... we need a more effective goal scoring centre forward. However we do not have the resources to pay a massive fee and the wages a top player would demand. Affordable strikers who can cut it in this league are rarer than hen's teeth.

Let's hope they can unearth a gem and find one .
 




Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
No probably not we are doing really well and the strikers are owning this division, it would be a waste of money. What we need is a wider choice of pies and more early leavers.
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Withdean area
This is what some football fans never understand.

A striker shouldn't just stand around waiting for an opportunity and if none comes their way then what a waste of money!!!!
A good striker can create havoc in the back line just with their movement. That means some of Propper's more optimistic passes and Solly's not-perfect crosses can come off.
Baldock changed our attack on Saturday just by walking on the pitch. It gives the midfielders a whole new dimension to play in and can be the catalyst for a turn in form, even if that striker does not score a single goal for us.

It's not the midfield that needs changing (though it does need strengthening). It's the forward line.
Pace, movement, ability to stay onside.
Someone like Dwight Gayle but better and we'll be a totally different proposition.

Great post.
 


Seasidesage

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May 19, 2009
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Brighton, United Kingdom
A big tall and quick striker is not the answer to our problems. However, it is a strong part of the overall answer. Two biggest issues we have this season are.

1. Teams press very high against us. It condenses the play and we lack an out ball. We cannot as a consequence retain possession and that at this level is essential. Less possession = less chances = less goals.
2. We struggle to defend set pieces. Apart from our decent central defenders we lack height and aerial ability. See Sat.

A big quick CF will make it harder for teams to press and give us an out ball into channels if the movement is good enough. Hopefully, the ball should also stick with the guy and we should find it easier to build attacks. Secondly, another dominate header of the ball must help. A full back who can defend would too mind.

If we get the right guy I would expect the midfield and wingers to start scoring as they should get more time and space. Plus it would be handy if the striker knocks a few in as well.
 




perseus

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Jul 5, 2003
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If I was Zohore, I would wait until the summer.

Do we find a makeshift? Two places in the 25 to fill. One Under 21 (Izzy Brown)

Or find a scoop signing? Doubtful if a foreign goalscorer will uproot for a possible three months which will pass quite quickly.

Same for all clubs down the bottom. I see them trying to sign cover for injured players. Sidwell is a covering midfielder. Getting a replacement might be our number one concern.
 




Marshy

Well-known member
Jul 6, 2003
19,719
FRUIT OF THE BLOOM
This is what some football fans never understand.

A striker shouldn't just stand around waiting for an opportunity and if none comes their way then what a waste of money!!!!
A good striker can create havoc in the back line just with their movement. That means some of Propper's more optimistic passes and Solly's not-perfect crosses can come off.
Baldock changed our attack on Saturday just by walking on the pitch. It gives the midfielders a whole new dimension to play in and can be the catalyst for a turn in form, even if that striker does not score a single goal for us.

It's not the midfield that needs changing (though it does need strengthening). It's the forward line.
Pace, movement, ability to stay onside.
Someone like Dwight Gayle but better and we'll be a totally different proposition.



Wise words, and its the reason I banged on about Shane Long pre season so much, not because he has a brilliant scoring record but just what he gives a side in terms of pace and movement.

Soton are playing him wide which isn't his game, but he would be ideal for us up front.

Its what we are desperately missing.
 








perseus

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Jul 5, 2003
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A big tall and quick striker is not the answer to our problems. However, it is a strong part of the overall answer. Two biggest issues we have this season are.

1. Teams press very high against us. It condenses the play and we lack an out ball. We cannot as a consequence retain possession and that at this level is essential. Less possession = less chances = less goals.
2. We struggle to defend set pieces. Apart from our decent central defenders we lack height and aerial ability. See Sat.

A big quick CF will make it harder for teams to press and give us an out ball into channels if the movement is good enough. Hopefully, the ball should also stick with the guy and we should find it easier to build attacks. Secondly, another dominate header of the ball must help. A full back who can defend would too mind.

If we get the right guy I would expect the midfield and wingers to start scoring as they should get more time and space. Plus it would be handy if the striker knocks a few in as well.

Sounds plausible as a quick fix. Not thinking outside the box though.

Not sure the correlation between possession and creating chances is clear cut as all that? Only against the top six sides is possession a problem.

I would be inclined to take off a winger and play extra midfielder for the more difficult games. Reduce the onus on the winger to defend. Reduce the demand for the trickier long passes that get intercepted. We can always put on a winger and bypass the midfield if we are chasing a game.

I think we are playing the right way (WBA on their own ground was always going to be difficult). Just we have not got enough points on board cause our midfielders can't shoot and we let in sucker goals.

I think most of the time we deal with opposition pressing quite well. Better than most teams.
 




Silverhatch

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Feb 23, 2009
4,300
Preston Park
Some proper pace and movement (and physicality) is what we need. Think along the lines of Bobby Zamora circa 2001/2. Actually, if we had the 22 year old BZ upfront in this side - I reckon we'd be above Burnley.
 


mune ni kamome

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Jun 5, 2011
2,218
Worthing
We won the 3rd division that year whilst Bournemouth were relegated to the fourth. Funny old game.
 


perseus

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Jul 5, 2003
23,456
Sūþseaxna
It is all about getting the balance right between

1) Playing deep (conserves energy, requires prolonged concentration, but most of all mucks up the game plan if we concede early)

2) Selective pressing (chasing shadows burns energy and we are not fit enough to do it all game)

3) Possession game (best form of defence, keeping the ball and preventing the opposition from scoring, requires accurate passing and good technique)

4) Scintillating attacking football and creating chances (requires lots of running into spaces, fitness, football intelligence, pace and skill everywhere and can lead to an exciting open game, losing the ball a lot and vulnerable to counter attacks which is a calculated risk that we can shoot better than the opposition which we can't).

PS: I don't really see why we need two wingers!? We can only play on one wing at a time and we can have overlapping full backs and if we had a striker that could run around a lot he could move out wide.
 
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Megazone

On his last warning
Jan 28, 2015
8,679
Northern Hemisphere.
A midfielder who wants to carry the ball forward, looks for the killer pass, not afraid to shoot and enjoys a battle is probably more needed than a new striker.

We're being outdone in the middle more than any other position IMO. Every pass is either backwards or sideways. Both midfielders share the same phobia of shooting and neither of them seem to show much influence during the games. The wingers rarely receive passes that they can run onto and are often caught offside due to the pass being mistimed. The midfield seem to share the same knack of passing the ball either too early or too late. It's not often you'll see our midfielders put their foot on the ball and wait for a well timed pass out wide which unleashes our wingers. Usually it will end up going sideways or to Bruno in hope he can do something. We really need someone like Watford's Abdoulaye Doucouré who would be perfect for us.
 






dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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Burgess Hill
A midfielder who wants to carry the ball forward, looks for the killer pass, not afraid to shoot and enjoys a battle is probably more needed than a new striker.

We're being outdone in the middle more than any other position IMO. Every pass is either backwards or sideways. Both midfielders share the same phobia of shooting and neither of them seem to show much influence during the games. The wingers rarely receive passes that they can run onto and are often caught offside due to the pass being mistimed. The midfield seem to share the same knack of passing the ball either too early or too late. It's not often you'll see our midfielders put their foot on the ball and wait for a well timed pass out wide which unleashes our wingers. Usually it will end up going sideways or to Bruno in hope he can do something. We really need someone like Watford's Abdoulaye Doucouré who would be perfect for us.

Like Kayal ?
 


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