[Politics] Tonight,s EU vote and the margin of defeat ?

Billy the Fish · Jan 16, 2019

Now would be a good time to tear up the rulebook and start again.

The two party system and FPTP don't work anymore.
Labour and Conservatives aren't fit for the modern world, they're both stuck somewhere in a previous decade.

Sadly it won't happen, we're all too comfortable to overthrow them.

Hugo Rune · Jan 16, 2019

pastafarian said:
I would hope everyone would be united (leavers and remainers) in condemnation of the EU if they insisted remain should be on the ballot paper in such circumstances. The decision of the content in such a referendum is the sovereign right of parliament to determine not the EU.
They wouldn’t insist though, they are not that bad.

One thing is for sure; they will surely not allow an extension of article 50 for more can kicking.

jimhigham · Jan 16, 2019

I'll be glad when it's the weekend and we get some football :ascarf:

Hugo Rune · Jan 16, 2019

Mental Lental said:
I'm not sure they would extend it for a referendum that has No Deal on the ballot paper either.

True.

I actually think that parliament will vote to rule out No Deal very soon as there is a very clear majority for this, it’s the first stage of agreeing what sort of Brexit the house will vote through.

However, if the people are to vote on what Brexit they’d prefer, having ‘No Deal’ off the table seems very undemocratic.

vegster · Jan 16, 2019

BensGrandad said:
That surprised many and I lost €40 on my holiday change rate

Wow! What a high roller you are BG! The Pound slowly sank during the day but bounced back up to where it started the day after the vote.... You would have to have traded a good few thousands in order to have lost £40.

vegster · Jan 16, 2019

Horton's halftime iceberg said:
Her flagship policy/deal is a record defeat. What rabbit does she need to pull out of the hat to have any credibility or sell to people/MPs. We have a failed prime minister and government.

Any normal PM would have done the decent thing months ago after the drip drip of humiliating defeats in parliament and the ultimate defeat last night. Strong and Stable.

DJ NOBO · Jan 16, 2019

To those calling for a second vote......imagine the worst kind of racist, bigoted leave voter.
You are essentially giving people like these license to argue that their opinion has been discarded by a so-called democratic process.
Except they probably will not reasonably argue their points, more likely they will use it as an excuse to initiate violence on your street.
People take general relative peace and safety for granted in this country but it’s not a given.

Chicken Run · Jan 16, 2019

vegster said:
Any normal PM would have done the decent thing months ago after the drip drip of humiliating defeats in parliament and the ultimate defeat last night. Strong and Stable.

Oh well let’s untrusted the next 5 years to this lot then.

Mental Lental · Jan 16, 2019

Chicken Run said:
Oh well let’s untrusted the next 5 years to this lot then.

Anti-Corbyn memes are so 2018. I'm sick to death of the lot of them to be honest.

Hampster Gull · Jan 16, 2019

Billy the Fish said:
Now would be a good time to tear up the rulebook and start again.

The two party system and FPTP don't work anymore.
Labour and Conservatives aren't fit for the modern world, they're both stuck somewhere in a previous decade.

Sadly it won't happen, we're all too comfortable to overthrow them.

This

heathgate · Jan 16, 2019

( corection)One of the largest govt petitions, not mentioned in media, only 9 Mp's turned up to debate.

Draw your own conclusions

#NoRef2

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Exile · Jan 16, 2019

Dale Jasper said:
To those calling for a second vote......imagine the worst kind of racist, bigoted leave voter.
You are essentially giving people like these license to argue that their opinion has been discarded by a so-called democratic process.
Except they probably will not reasonably argue their points, more likely they will use it as an excuse to initiate violence on your street.
People take general relative peace and safety for granted in this country but it’s not a given.

Just stop for a minute and consider the implication of what you’re suggesting.

I’d rather see disorder in the streets, than live in a country who made policy based on veiled threats from bigoted thugs.

Mental Lental · Jan 16, 2019

heathgate said:
Largest petition in history, not mentioned in media, only 9 Mp's turned up to debate.

Draw your own conclusions

#NoRef2

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-second-eu-referendum-was-created-by-a-leave/

This petition garnered over 4 million votes.

You're talking shit. You should check boldly declarative statements before posting them up on here as fact.

heathgate · Jan 16, 2019

Mental Lental said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-second-eu-referendum-was-created-by-a-leave/

This petition garnered 3.7 million votes. You're talking shit. You should check boldly declarative statements before posting them up on here as fact.

You wally.

Standing corrected on that stat.... misinformation from a previously reliable individual.

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Uncle Spielberg · Jan 16, 2019

Hiney said:
Don't need foresight or wisdom to work out that your prediction was a steaming crock of dogshit

Well done you. Gold Star

Mental Lental · Jan 16, 2019

heathgate said:
Standing corrected on that stat.... misinformation from a previously reliable individual.

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Ok. I edited the name I called you off. Apologies for that. I just get so riled at people not checking misinformation just because it pings their Confirmation Bias.

heathgate · Jan 16, 2019

Mental Lental said:
Ok. I edited the name I called you off. Apologies for that. I just get so riled at people not checking misinformation just because it pings their Confirmation Bias.

Okidoki... fyi.. my posts are ordinarily well researched as a rule.. posted whilst on the go this morning.... Putin's Bot Master is normally reliable.

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DFL JCL · Jan 16, 2019

Hugo Rune said:
True.

I actually think that parliament will vote to rule out No Deal very soon as there is a very clear majority for this, it’s the first stage of agreeing what sort of Brexit the house will vote through.

However, if the people are to vote on what Brexit they’d prefer, having ‘No Deal’ off the table seems very undemocratic.

I would have thought that with No deal off of the table, we have no leverage over the EU to negotiate. I can't see EU ceding any ground at all, especially if No deal is ruled out. EU want us to remain, and their best chance of this is to "encourage" a second referendum. It feels like another referendum is almost inevitable now. What the question would be is anyone's guess, as is the outcome. Although i would have thought with 2 additional years worth of highly motivated youth voters remain vote would be boosted.

Hamilton · Jan 16, 2019

DFL JCL said:
I would have thought that with No deal off of the table, we have no leverage over the EU to negotiate. I can't see EU ceding any ground at all, especially if No deal is ruled out. EU want us to remain, and their best chance of this is to "encourage" a second referendum. It feels like another referendum is almost inevitable now. What the question would be is anyone's guess, as is the outcome. Although i would have thought with 2 additional years worth of highly motivated youth voters remain vote would be boosted.

I doubt the outcome would be different. We would still be voting while under austerity measures. The vast majority of people in this country are struggling to make ends meet as it is under the Tories. They are not going to vote to stay in the EU when in their eyes the EU has been painted as having delivered them nothing. Add to the fact that this time they'll have a government supporting the deal* and an opposition led by Wishy Washy who have no idea whether they are in or out, and you've got a Leave vote.

*Interestingly, should there be a second referendum (which I don't think there will be), what would May campaign for? One assumes, if she has the nation's interests at heart and having seen all the long-term economic indicators she would revert to her old position and campaign to stay - or will she save the Tory party first?

Papa Lazarou · Jan 16, 2019

DFL JCL said:
I would have thought that with No deal off of the table, we have no leverage over the EU to negotiate. I can't see EU ceding any ground at all, especially if No deal is ruled out. EU want us to remain, and their best chance of this is to "encourage" a second referendum. It feels like another referendum is almost inevitable now. What the question would be is anyone's guess, as is the outcome. Although i would have thought with 2 additional years worth of highly motivated youth voters remain vote would be boosted.

We have no leverage to negotiate.

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