[Politics] Brexit

Lincoln Imp · Jan 15, 2017

pastafarian said:
why?
Remoaners (not the same as remainers) who want the vote overturned are weasels.There can be no truce with them until we have left the EU.

They have a clear agenda to reverse the vote, a truce will allow their lies and backsliding to putrefy the democratic process.
They can claim all they like that all they want to do is have more discussion to ensure we have the best deal, what they really mean is how can we overturn the vote and stay in the EU.

Extract taken from a long article in their own dodgy newspaper last week.

http://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...nd_why_the_eu_is_worth_fighting_for_1_4844381

How to fight Brexit

There are three connected strands in the opposition to Brexit. One is to get our members of Parliament in both Houses to reject the advice of the advisory referendum. There are majorities in both Houses of Parliament for Remain. We must ask why MPs in the Commons have not yet demanded a free vote in which they exercise their own individual judgments on whether the UK is better in or out of the EU. One reason for the unseemly haste with which Brexiteers are trying to hustle the UK past the Article 50 trigger is that they wish to avoid such a vote at any cost. My own view is that MPs must be persuaded – lobbied, encouraged, supported, pressed – to demand a non-Party-whipped vote, and to vote according to their pre-June 23 publicly stated judgment on the question of EU membership. Such a vote would preserve our membership of the EU and safeguard the UK’s future.

The second is the various legal challenges on whether there has to be such a vote, and whether a Brexit trigger is revocable or not. This latter is the strategy favoured by my friend Jolyon Maugham QC, and he is taking crowd-funded legal action to explore the matter. His point is that if the article is triggered and, after a period of years some form of Brexit deal is reached but is held to be unsatisfactory in comparison to continued EU membership, Article 50 can be untriggered and the UK could reemain in the EU.

The third route is for there to be a future vote, either in Parliament or in a referendum – this latter naturally connected to the untriggering strategy – on the acceptability of any Brexit deal, rejection of the deal entailing continued EU membership.

Odd to have a lecture on freedom and democracy from someone who thinks that the free movement of labour within the United Kingdom should be stopped.

studio150 · Jan 15, 2017

alfredmizen said:
No you didn't, you hoped that people wouldn't realise , you dont sound.like.the sharpest tool in the box after.your comment.about.whether alp Mehmet was a Greek or Turkish Cypriot.

studio150 · Jan 15, 2017

portslade seagull said:
The result was gained in a democratic way the 1st time round. Just in case you are unclear the British public voted out, yes out. Some sad losers are now trying to be undemocratic because they didn't like the 1st result. They didnt moan at all before the result because they were so cocksure that they would win by a landslide . You really do need to get over it. It's a bit like football really, I am now looking foward to Friday night and have put the Preston defeat to bed.

But are we going to win on Friday?

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 15, 2017

Baldseagull said:
So reassuring that your wife made her decision on a logical decision after weighing up the pros and cons.

portslade seagull · Jan 15, 2017

studio150 said:
But are we going to win on Friday?

Of course. Will have to watch from home as having an Operation tomorrow then 4-6 weeks recovery so missing a fair few game's

GoldWithFalmer · Jan 15, 2017

studio150 said:
But are we going to win on Friday?

If any numerical advantage to us is even 1% then yes we have like brexit,won.

Baldseagull · Jan 15, 2017

portslade seagull said:
The result was gained in a democratic way the 1st time round. Just in case you are unclear the British public voted out, yes out. Some sad losers are now trying to be undemocratic because they didn't like the 1st result. They didnt moan at all before the result because they were so cocksure that they would win by a landslide . You really do need to get over it. It's a bit like football really, I am now looking foward to Friday night and have put the Preston defeat to bed.

If you are so sure it is what the people want, and it wasn't an aberration caused by protest voters and the apathy of people sure that remain would win anyway, why do you fear a second referendum so much?

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 15, 2017

portslade seagull said:
Of course. Will have to watch from home as having an Operation tomorrow then 4-6 weeks recovery so missing a fair few game's

Oh dear. Hope everything goes okay and you'll be fit in time for the promotion party.

portslade seagull · Jan 15, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
Oh dear. Hope everything goes okay and you'll be fit in time for the promotion party.

Cheers HT. I will be fit and raring to go then. You guys just need to keep them on their toes

studio150 · Jan 15, 2017

portslade seagull said:
Of course. Will have to watch from home as having an Operation tomorrow then 4-6 weeks recovery so missing a fair few game's

Best wishes for a speedy recovery. At least we are Sky a few times during your recovery period

GoldWithFalmer · Jan 15, 2017

When did the Thread Title change?

portslade seagull · Jan 15, 2017

Baldseagull said:
If you are so sure it is what the people want, and it wasn't an aberration caused by protest voters and the apathy of people sure that remain would win anyway, why do you fear a second referendum so much?

I do honestly believe if that came about the percentage win would be greater for Brexit.

GoldWithFalmer · Jan 15, 2017

Good luck and wishes Portslade.

portslade seagull · Jan 15, 2017

studio150 said:
Best wishes for a speedy recovery. At least we are Sky a few times during your recovery period

Thanks Studio. Have sky in the bedroom so will be ok if I'm not zonked out

Blue Valkyrie · Jan 15, 2017

GoldWithFalmer said:
When did the Thread Title change?

Great new title now, btw. Very accurate.

JC Footy Genius · Jan 15, 2017

vegster said:
Now we have President Trump, committed to making America "great again " and creating more jobs in America than any other President in history ...... and first on the list now is the poor friendless UK . Given Mr Trumps idea of how to make a good deal what do you think is going to happen to us ? ....

I think 'the poor friendless UK '(good grief) will get a mutually beneficial trade deal with the US which will be a dam sight better than the EU one that has taken forever and is probably dead in the water. As Trump ia a huge fan of the UK and believes Brexit was the right choice expect ours to be all signed and sealed within 2 years of us leaving.*

:thumbsup:

* assuming we all don't die in a thermonuclear fireball

GoldWithFalmer · Jan 15, 2017

Blue Valkyrie said:
Great new title now, btw. Very accurate.

Very much so... :thumbsup:

so long as it's reasonable in nature,to which it is mostly ,it's very hand bags at dawn at times.

pastafarian · Jan 15, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
This is an interesting article.

RESISTING BREXIT IS DEMOCRATIC

http://www.juliewardmep.eu/resisting_brexit_is_democratic

Actually its not that interesting. However....from it

"To do that, all of us in Labour need to remember how a democracy works: when an election happens, one side wins and becomes a Government, and the other loses, and becomes Opposition. It is the duty of the Opposition to continue speaking out to show the voters why they should have voted differently, and convince them to vote the other way next time."

whilst the referendum was not an election the same principle applies,remoaners need to end their ploy to overturn the decision and concentrate their pro EU stance on the next time.......that next time being say in 10 years when you can look back and judge brexit and call for a new referendum to join The EU,perhaps if im generous lets say 5 years after we have left, same as a fixed term......good luck with that though.

melias shoes · Jan 15, 2017

portslade seagull said:
Makes me wonder why some are so desperate to stay in the corrupt EU. It is just another ideology destined to fail

Already has.

pastafarian · Jan 15, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
Odd to have a lecture on freedom and democracy from someone who thinks that the free movement of labour within the United Kingdom should be stopped.

it wasnt a lecture, just an observation that there are obviously some who wish to overturn the result and remain in The EU by any means.......namely the weasels.
are you a weasel or are you in the camp we should leave the EU (as per the democratic vote) and secure the best possible deal in negotiations as to our future relationship?

Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊

[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

Remain

Leave

Wouldn’t vote

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Seaweed! Seaweed!

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Seaweed! Seaweed!

Well-known member

Seaweed! Seaweed!

Well-known member

Not seen such Bravery!

Bringer of TRUTH

Seaweed! Seaweed!

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Share this page