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The Jeremy Corbyn thread
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All good new for the centre and right in the UK. Hardline left wing TU leaders, as in the 70's and 80's, with their Labour comrades, are a total turn off for the vast majority of the electorate.
Not wanting to pollute the election thread, so I thought I'd post it here...
If the Conservatives, despite May's best efforts to scupper it, manage to form a majority government next week, what will happen to Labour and Corbyn? He's grown into the campaign and his stock is clearly on the rise.
Would he want to carry on as leader of the opposition for what is almost certainly going to be a full five year term? Will the Labour party want to keep him on?
I note he's 68 now - could that be a factor? Time for a younger (wo)man and all that.
If the Conservatives, despite May's best efforts to scupper it, manage to form a majority government next week, what will happen to Labour and Corbyn? He's grown into the campaign and his stock is clearly on the rise.
Would he want to carry on as leader of the opposition for what is almost certainly going to be a full five year term? Will the Labour party want to keep him on?
I note he's 68 now - could that be a factor? Time for a younger (wo)man and all that.
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Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
Dianne Abbott?
I'd already edited it before you posted, but not before you clicked 'Reply With Quote'...
...and has this campaign vindicated a more left-wing approach could be electable?
You don't have to flick back through many pages of this thread, with posts made before the election was called, expressing the view that Labour stood no chance until they managed to remove Corbyn and brought in a leader who was more central and would have greater appeal to the electorate.
You don't have to flick back through many pages of this thread, with posts made before the election was called, expressing the view that Labour stood no chance until they managed to remove Corbyn and brought in a leader who was more central and would have greater appeal to the electorate.
jonny.rainbow
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- Oct 29, 2005
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One thing's for certain, the decision will be made by the (500k strong) Labour Party membership base and not Dacre, Murdoch and the Barclay brothers.
Jolly Red Giant
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- Jul 11, 2015
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The only chance of LP being elected again is with a left-wing programme (and all the Blairite MPs dumped). Blair's New Labour 'experiment' is in the dustbin of history.
Marshy
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Ofcourse Corbyn's stock is on the rise... well a little, it could not get any lower could it.
Genuinely for the 1st time may not bother voting this time, thats what i fell like doing anyway.
No doubt come the day I will do the right thing though.
Genuinely for the 1st time may not bother voting this time, thats what i fell like doing anyway.
No doubt come the day I will do the right thing though.
JetsetJimbo
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- Jun 13, 2011
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One possible result popped into my head earlier today that, while unlikely, is still more likely than makes any logical sense. Let's say the Tories squeak home with a wafer-thin reduced majority, something like 2-3 seats.
The Tory knives would then be out for May, for having called an unnecessary election on a gamble that backfired; Corbyn, meanwhile, would be strengthened by Labour's unexpectedly good showing.
So, we'd have a situation where the victor was was under more pressure to resign than the loser. I'm not sure that's ever happened in British politics before.
As I said, there are a lot of "what ifs" there, and I don't think it's a likely set of circumstances -- but the fact that it's even a possible set of circumstances is really, really weird.
To answer your question, though, I think what would happen in the scenario you've described is that the Labour left would be able to get the "McDonnell Amendment" (a proposal to reduce the number of MP nominations required to stand for the leadership) through the party machinery. Once that was in place, I expect Corbyn would stand down, content that the leadership nomination process was no longer unfairly weighted against left-wing candidates; he would probably be succeeded by a younger, more telegenic lefty (someone like Barry Gardiner or Clive Lewis).
I think there are a few points in the last couple of years when he would have stood down, but didn't because he knew the PLP wouldn't allow another left-wing candidate to stand before the members. Just a hunch I have.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
as a socialist they were my thoughts, lay the basis for a more socialist party and then find someone who will fit the bill,now my thoughts turn to the Scots lady, if only they could get(work) together she would make a very good leader(PM) STRONG AND NO MESSING WITH HER AND SHE DISLIKES THE TORIES
The fact that she's not an MP in the UK Parliament and nor is she standing to be one, is probably a reasonable barrier to that actually happening.
I would never claim that there is no demand for Corbyn's policies, but I question if there is enough to support to ever form a government which the Labour Party needs to aspire to. i think a lot of people are coming back to the Labour mothership having had time to look at the alternative and realising Corbyn isn't so bad when compared to May.
I think we are now seeing that Corbyn is a good campaigner who likes a crowd and is battled hardened after two years of being on a war footing. Therese May was basically gifted the Conservative leadership.
Ultimately Corbyn needs to gain seats. Stacking up votes to finish a plucky second in Conservative safe seats and prop up the vote share is nice but takes us no nearer government.
I think we are now seeing that Corbyn is a good campaigner who likes a crowd and is battled hardened after two years of being on a war footing. Therese May was basically gifted the Conservative leadership.
Ultimately Corbyn needs to gain seats. Stacking up votes to finish a plucky second in Conservative safe seats and prop up the vote share is nice but takes us no nearer government.
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
believe me someone would move over if it came about
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
beorhthelm
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the general commentary before the election was that he'd stay on regardless for a year or two while the left wing of the party consolidated their power within the party's internal machinery. a good performance will have him encouraged to go to the next election.
we haven't seen the results yet, polls have been known to be incorrect. then again May has shifted left too (but seems to have forgotten to highlight this), so who knows.
Yeah. People kept saying "Corbyn's unelectable". Which as a pure fact was wrong as he had been elected: both by his constituency as their MP and by the Labour party as their leader. When this error was pointed out people would usually respond with "Yeah, but he won't appeal to the country at large. He can't win the Big One"
Which is precisely what people said about Donald Trump ...
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I think there is an honesty to him that people are taking to. No matter what people have said, no matter what the press have said, he has stuck to his way of doing things and his principles. It is quite a thing to see the polls growing as they are. The more mud the Tories and the right wing press throw, the more popular appears to be getting. I reckon he could eat a bacon sandwich in a really odd way and still see a ratings rise.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
But the Vegan Society would lynch him!