Man Utd Lukaku chant

Nixonator · Sep 19, 2017

McTavish said:
If the idea that all Dutch people were tall had been part of a package of stereoptypes that were used to subjugate and enslave the Dutch then, yes people would get offended.

The idea that black men have large penises is part of a whole branch of racism that sees black men as sub-human, animalistic and lust-driven and therefore a threat to white women - a threat that needed to be countered by enslavement and violent repression.

Arrant nonsense.

It is a scientific stereotype, we differ as races physiologically and at a fundamental level. I realise we are in an era where pointing this out might be deemed as oppressive somehow and denying science is the generally the thing to do.

I doubt this crowd were thinking about previous centuries or indeed about science, they could even argue that they were chanting it simply because..well.. he's a big lad. I would also be surprised if any offence was taken other than by modern liberals looking to be offended on someone elses behalf.

What gets me the most is time and manpower is being used on something as innocuous as this whilst skum of the earth were pointing and shouting all sorts of abhorrent and vicious homophobic abuse (such that I wouldn't even want to repeat on here) at us with children around at Leicester and nothing is done about it other than a couple of people avoiding FBOs because they paid £300 and went to some classes.

Hiney · Sep 19, 2017

Jesus Gul said:
Exhibit A - Gulls Eye late 1980s cover referencing Keith Dublin in the shower

edna krabappel · Sep 19, 2017

Hiney said:
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In the 1980s, Hiney. And re a black player. This, to my knowledge, has never been applied to a white player, based on the colour of his skin.

I can't imagine Lukaku is sat there thinking "Yay, loads of white people think I have a huge cock" when he knows they're only singing it because he's black.

Machiavelli · Sep 19, 2017

Nixonator said:
Arrant nonsense.

It is a scientific stereotype, we differ as races physiologically and at a fundamental level. I realise we are in an era where pointing this out might be deemed as oppressive somehow and denying science is the generally the thing to do.

I doubt this crowd were thinking about previous centuries or indeed about science, they could even argue that they were chanting it simply because..well.. he's a big lad. I would also be surprised if any offence was taken other than by modern liberals looking to be offended on someone elses behalf.

What gets me the most is time and manpower is being used on something as innocuous as this whilst skum of the earth were pointing and shouting all sorts of abhorrent and vicious homophobic abuse (such that I wouldn't even want to repeat on here) at us with children around at Leicester and nothing is done about it other than a couple of people avoiding FBOs because they paid £300 and went to some classes.

You need to read up on what science has to say about such things. I agree that we're in an era where pointing such things out are deemed as oppressive, but that's got nothing to do with the denial of science (as if science somehow had a monopoly on this question).

spring hall convert · Sep 19, 2017

Hiney said:
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I don't really get what you are trying to say. In the 80's I remember hearing seriously nasty racist abuse at pretty much every game I went to. I'm not surprised that milder 'everyday' racism went unchallenged. It didn't make it right.

Bold Seagull · Sep 19, 2017

Nixonator said:
What gets me the most is time and manpower is being used on something as innocuous as this whilst skum of the earth were pointing and shouting all sorts of abhorrent and vicious homophobic abuse (such that I wouldn't even want to repeat on here) at us with children around at Leicester and nothing is done about it other than a couple of people avoiding FBOs because they paid £300 and went to some classes.

Abhorrent and vicious...

What if they combined the Lukaku chant with a homophobic one for us, now that would be painful...

The_Viper · Sep 19, 2017

Napper said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41317495

Need to give their head a wobble.

Not racist.

What next

Wow, that's pretty racist of Kick It Out to jump to the conclusion of the song being due to his skin colour.

On another note, is it ok to sing the same song about Hemed because he's white? Kick It Out being racist about racism is amazing.

BHAFC_Pandapops · Sep 19, 2017

Brilliant. You wouldn't get this from City Fans, I prefer city over united (as a manchester resident) but all City do is sing about Ji Sung Park eating dogs, and Bacary Sagna dropping a bomb on Jihadi John (because of the paris attack).

Nixonator · Sep 19, 2017

Bold Seagull said:
Abhorrent and vicious...What if they combined the Lukaku chant with a homophobic one for us, now that would be painful...

Was referring to the abuse received by those of us close to the stewards and leicester fans, not the chants which were just the usual guff.

Bold Seagull · Sep 19, 2017

BHAFC_Pandapops said:
Brilliant. You wouldn't get this from City Fans, I prefer city over united (as a manchester resident) but all City do is sing about Ji Sung Park eating dogs, and Bacary Sagna dropping a bomb on Jihadi John (because of the paris attack).

Wasn't it United's own chant about Park that included the line about eating dogs?

Guinness Boy · Sep 19, 2017

Funnily enough I really don't think the song's that bad and now they'll sing it every week like Spurs do with "being a y*d". What was painful was the excruciating casual racism in the Twitter defence offered by the Man U songs and chants group. They obviously know all about bell ends....

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albionfan37 · Sep 19, 2017

I can't really see the racist bit seems very petty to me

GT49er · Sep 19, 2017

LlcoolJ said:
Maybe Lukaku actually has a small penis and is personally offended by the song.

Waits for somebody to come along with that "This thread is useless without pictures" emoji..............

Ratso2005 · Sep 19, 2017

A lot of David Brent style, "It's a compliment if anything" going on here.

I read an article some years ago with accounts from multiple black men with 'average' or 'below average' penises who have found that the proliferation of this inaccurate stereotype has made them extremely uncomfortable, anxious and self-conscious - especially when getting naked in front of someone for the first time.

I can't find the article but this brief video sums up nicely:

https://youtu.be/UDNbP2I4Pvc

As Marina Hyde says here, something that can be viewed as 'banter' can still be racist, and therefore incredibly harmful in perpetuating ignorance about the supposed 'differences' between people of various heritages, which are of course minimal in reality:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...united-racial-stereotyping-romelu-lukaku-song

sjamesb3466 · Sep 19, 2017

Of all of the things that are offensive to me in this world (millions homeless, starving, abused, enslaved) I am never failed to be amazed at how the Western word manages to find offense in something so bloody trivial. Literally millions of kids in the third world are sleeping alone on the streets and yet we as a population are getting our knickers in a twist about a stereotype of black guys having big dicks. Can we all just stop being so offended by everything.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Sep 19, 2017

So what does the man Lukaku have to say about all this? Any reports? Only his view counts at the end of the day.

Outraged at the racism, or smug about the penis reference?

If it were me it would be the latter.

Albeit somewhat fraudulently.

portlock seagull · Sep 19, 2017

sjamesb3466 said:
Of all of the things that are offensive to me in this world (millions homeless, starving, abused, enslaved) I am never failed to be amazed at how the Western word manages to find offense in something so bloody trivial. Literally millions of kids in the third world are sleeping alone on the streets and yet we as a population are getting our knickers in a twist about a stereotype of black guys having big dicks. Can we all just stop being so offended by everything.

Easier to resolve though isn't it? End world poverty versus end a football chant whilst still claiming to have made an enormous (but not very unmeasurable) contribution to advancing human society. Which would you pick as your pet project given the choice?! Btw I do totally agree with you. It's all become rather pathetic but then isn't that football in a nutshell. How else do you explain footballers now being sold for the same amount as a small nations entire GDP?!

GT49er · Sep 19, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
So what does the man Lukaku have to say about all this?

Does that matter? Thousands of people chant things about Posh Spice which to my mind are far more personally offensive without once considering asking her about her opinion.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Sep 19, 2017

GT49er said:
Does that matter? Thousands of people chant things about Posh Spice which to my mind are far more personally offensive without once considering asking her about her opinion.

The latter would unquestionably offend her. But would Lukaku be bothered - is my point.

GT49er · Sep 20, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
The latter would unquestionably offend her. But would Lukaku be bothered - is my point.

Yes, but no-one gives a toss about whether Posh Spice is upset; yet some people go out of their way to be offended on behalf of Lukaku, whether he's offended by it or not.

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