LamieRobertson
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Personally I don't think everything has to be put on FFP..given the not to recent past why not live within our means anyway
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[Albion] Garcia's reasons for leaving (from today's Argus, per Andy Naylor)
- Thread starter AZ Gull
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Personally I don't think everything has to be put on FFP..given the not to recent past why not live within our means anyway
With some of the best away support in the Championship and the highest average home gates the fans deserve better and to be told the TRUTH about events surrounding both the departure of Gus and Oscar. Is the same thing going to happen at the end of next season? I can't say I blame Oscar. Who will want the managers job now after the boards recent track record?
Captain Sensible
Well-known member
That's just what Oscar Garcia says. I suspect a communication problem
Maybe or maybe we should look at the Burke interviews on player. He clearly says Oscar has the final say but then he says 'we go and look for a player' and then Oscar gets the final say. So did Oscar have any influence apart from the final yes or no? He doesn't say Oscar identifies the targets and we try to sign them. He talks about stats and his recruitment team that seem to be playing football manager. Burke has failed to deliver this season and it should be the manager that has his targets and then he decides with the recruitment team but has the final say with the chairman. Burke should be nothing more than head scout! Not the recruitment officer.
m20gull
Well-known member
the coach chooses the type of player they want - the committee/scouting network sort out what players of that type are available and affordable - they then go back to the coach and say, "what about Grabban?" coach says yes, then they go off and do the negotiation. Grabban says I want more, we say no, he gets a better contract and more money where he is.
this way the coach gets to concentrate on coaching rather than spending all week driving round watching transfer targets.
Herne Hill Seagull
Well-known member
This is the 'cake or death' decision, ain't it? If he has final say on players, but no input into which players are presented to him for assent in the first place, what's the bloody point of final say?
Bwian
Kiss my (_!_)
- Jul 14, 2003
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I think we are all getting concerned with the club's recruitment policy.
Genuine question (not intended to point fingers at different people): Which of the current squad were bought in by Burke and who was bought in at the insistence of the manager(s)?
It doesn't fill me with confidence if two experienced football men felt it necessary to leave because of the club's player dealings/budget. Does Tony Bloom get involved every day or is it Burke and Barber running the show whilst keeping TB updated?
Captain Sensible
Well-known member
Exactly!
drew
Drew
Some of the posts are hysterical! As others have said, we don't know whether any of the players identified by Oscar were affordable. I suspect that the actual problem is that he can see next season being harder due to the higher parachute payments for those clubs coming down and FFP penalties not kicking in until January so you will still get clubs gambling during the close season transfer window.
As for Bloom being asleep in Australia when the window closed, does anyone actually believe that. I also don't believe in the delays in getting the deal rubber stamped. Australia is only a phone call away, maybe even facetime!!!
As for Bloom being asleep in Australia when the window closed, does anyone actually believe that. I also don't believe in the delays in getting the deal rubber stamped. Australia is only a phone call away, maybe even facetime!!!
Head coach or manager? - job title probably doesn`t matter (now, at least), but the new man needs to be very clear on how much say he has on who we try to sign. Checks and balances are important to make sure he doesn`t overspend, but within the budget I think the new coach / manager should be the driving force behind signings. Take that away and who is really going to want the job?
Bwian
Kiss my (_!_)
- Jul 14, 2003
- 15,898
It's not just second tier football though is it?
The money pot that is the Premier League allows clubs to pay absolutely crazy wages to their whole squad. That Chelsea starlet who hasn't yet made one appearance in the first team but still gets paid 1 MILLION a year being a good example.
Players in the Championship see those idiotic wages and start thinking they want to squeeze as much out of a club as possible and then the sorry wage spiral infests all professional leagues in England. Those that don't pay/can't pay are relegation fodder every year or will never see a promotion again.
Parachute payments make things worse and giving 'winnings' of £63 or 73 Million for finishing bottom shows just how fecked up our game is. How on earth are clubs like The Albion supposed to balance the books whilst remaining competitive and in with a chance of promotion when football allows itself to be run by TV executives?
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
So what will happen if the Football League calls for a EGM in the off season and moves the goalposts on FFP due to the large increase in parachute payments ?
The_Viper
Well-known member
Those saying we have to be aware of FFP, why is it we're the only ones losing two managers in two years then? Surely this should be happening at every club?
Couldn't agree more. I can't think of anyone who'd want to manage a team when they were not allowed to target the players they knew about and wanted to bring to the club.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
One way is by copying the example set by Crystal Palace. That is produce a desirable player through the youth ranks and sell him for an obscene amount of money.
Or use another palace ploy....spend what you want then enter administration (twice).
I'm sure FFP is and will be discussed infinitum with the clubs. It does however have to be remembered the vast majority of clubs voted for it in the guise it exists in at present. Also clubs relegated have a year to comply so this year the likes of QPR do not have the restrictions we and others have. Is it right? No I would say but I refer to vote again.
drew
Drew
We would have to have good reason to sack him otherwise we risk a claim for compensation. Last year the club felt they had grounds to sack Poyet and, it could be argued, they were vindicated because he with drew any claim. Oscar has either decided he doesn't fancy taking on the millions that some have in parachute payments or maybe has a couple of offers that are better. Whatever, he has done the decent thing and acted with integrity.
Bwian
Kiss my (_!_)
- Jul 14, 2003
- 15,898
One way is by copying the example set by Crystal Palace. That is produce a desirable player through the youth ranks and sell him for an obscene amount of money.
Or use another palace ploy....spend what you want then enter administration (twice).
Option 1 is going to take time after 14 years in the financial doldrums where we couldn't fund a decent scouting network and even if youngsters were spotted they'd never have joined to get coached in Stanmer Park amongst the dog turds.
Option 2 is something TB wouldn't allow to happen, thank goodness or we could be next year's Portsmouth...
Gritt23
New member
Exactly. Is anyone seriously suggesting that Burnley have flouted the FFP rules? They have spent reasonable money, year in, year out, and with a bit of consistency at the top put together a squad that has deservedly gone up automatically ahead of the astronomical wages being thrown around at QPR.
note: I now await someone telling me that Burnley have in fact been spending a FORTUNE on wages. I have some humble pie on hand just in case.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
The new training ground will help, or at least make it a possibility, but I agree it'll take time and lots of luck.
I was being facetious about administration.