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Corbyn' s at it again !



Bozza

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CFAHB said:
You said how can you find the long term unused propties are known to the council by the surcharge mechanism.
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1. Where do you draw the line between ones you can snag and those you can't?
2. How do you check/know if the owners are returning tomorrow or next week?
3. Do you think millionaire property speculators would register their property as unoccupied if it meant there was a chance that almost anyone could be moved into it whilst they are away?
4. What do you do with all the possessions in the house, including expensive electronics, art, jewellery and personal items with high sentimental value?
5. Who insures the property, and the contents whilst it's being lived in by someone else?
 




Guinness Boy

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worthingseagull123 said:
Say what exactly?

That Labour and their supporters (Lily Allen etc) are using this horrible disaster to improve their popularity and use it to attack their political opponents?

You certain that is not happening?
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Do you not understand "that"? Repeat your allegation that Labour are using the tragedy to boost their popularity directly to the affected people and local church and community workers dealing with them and see how many agree with you. They're the ones you feel you're protecting after all.
 


Bozza

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swindonseagull said:
If I had a multi million pound property that was empty....I would employ a live in house keeper and its no longer empty, I'm sure the cost would not matter if you can afford a second multi million pound home.

Requisitioning is not really viable unless the houses are totally empty, many houses will have personal possessions in.
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Exactly. Whilst there is clearly a problem with vacant property which has worsened the property market in many areas of this country, it's going to take considerable work to resolve. It's not going to happen in the timescales required for those left homeless by this tragedy - it's just not realistic.

Maybe those suggesting it can be done are merely using this as a way of seriously kickstarting this discussion, rather than advocating popping around a few houses, breaking in if the lights aren't on and moving a displaced family into it.
 




clapham_gull

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worthingseagull123 said:
Say what exactly?

That Labour and their supporters (Lily Allen etc) are using this horrible disaster to improve their popularity and use it to attack their political opponents?

You certain that is not happening?
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Lilly Allen either lives (or lived) locally. I'm always seeing her walking round the Westfield shopping centre.

( without dark glass or wearing a momentum t-shirt )
 




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El Presidente said:
Agree with you in principle. Part of the problem is that because the UK has such a huge trade deficit with the rest of the world the government welcomes overseas investment (frequently the proceeds of money laundering) into the domestic real estate market to balance the books.

Take that money out of the system and the pound would nosedive, interest rates would have to rise and there would be a problem for the whole economy. It doesn't justify the current position, where both Labour and Tory governments have turned a blind eye to what has been happening.
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Maybe restrictions on the type of property purchased ? In Singapore, non citizens can buy apartments but not houses.
In addition there are periodic higher rates of stamp duty for foreign purchasers. There is in effect a two tier market with additional housing subsidies for citizens effectively paid for by wealthy foreigners.
 








Ludensian Gull

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Live by the sea said:
This time he wants to take away any vacant legally owned property in Kensington and rehouse the people caught in that terrible fire.

I feel as sorry as everyone else does about that tragedy but stealing other people's property is clearly not the answer.

Corbyn really is a Marxist lowlife. Embarrassing how close we came to this moron gaining power
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If you truly believe what you've just said then you are the lowlife scum . What a bloody awful thing to say , should be ashamed of yourself :tosser:
 


Is it PotG?

Is it PotG?

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Right, from memory sans Google:

Theft: Dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it?

Burglary: Entering a property as a trespasser with the intent to commit murder, rape or theft

Something like that..
 














Buzzer

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Bozza said:
1. Where do you draw the line between ones you can snag and those you can't?
2. How do you check/know if the owners are returning tomorrow or next week?
3. Do you think millionaire property speculators would register their property as unoccupied if it meant there was a chance that almost anyone could be moved into it whilst they are away?
4. What do you do with all the possessions in the house, including expensive electronics, art, jewellery and personal items with high sentimental value?
5. Who insures the property, and the contents whilst it's being lived in by someone else?
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1. By using the method already in use to charge extra council tax. The government guidelines state a few examples of those exempt and this would seem to be a good place to draw the line.
2. I would have thought the existing method checks for this.
3. Of course not but a) millionaire property speculators tend never to move in properties bought as investments, they are always away and b) It would seem a reasonable guess that at least some of the houses (maybe all of them) where surcharges are applied are done after information originating from a council department, not the owner.
4. Empty houses tend not to have expensive items in them especially if vacant for years or never occupied by the owner. Extensive photographing and filming of all property can be done before borrowing it and list of inventory and condition signed and counter-signed. Council pays for storage.
5. Council insures it. This already occurs when people let their house to council. Brighton council insures most things except carpet/floor.
 


Notters

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Weirdly I had just suggested the same thing. Fair play to him. Permanently vacant houses shouldn't be allowed.
 


Bozza

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Buzzer said:
1. By using the method already in use to charge extra council tax. The government guidelines state a few examples of those exempt and this would seem to be a good place to draw the line.
2. I would have thought the existing method checks for this.
3. Of course not but a) millionaire property speculators tend never to move in properties bought as investments, they are always away and b) It would seem a reasonable guess that at least some of the houses (maybe all of them) where surcharges are applied are done after information originating from a council department, not the owner.
4. Empty houses tend not to have expensive items in them especially if vacant for years or never occupied by the owner. Extensive photographing and filming of all property can be done before borrowing it and list of inventory and condition signed and counter-signed. Council pays for storage.
5. Council insures it. This already occurs when people let their house to council. Brighton council insures most things except carpet/floor.
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Sounds a piece of piss. Pleased to hear these poor families will be sorted tomorrow. It will be tomorrow, right?
 








Buzzer

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Bozza said:
Maybe those suggesting it can be done are merely using this as a way of seriously kickstarting this discussion, rather than advocating popping around a few houses, breaking in if the lights aren't on and moving a displaced family into it.
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Precisely this. We don't have nearly enough social housing and little or no affordable housing for private purchase here in the South and it desperately needs looking at. Maybe a radical change in the law is needed for property speculation which certainly aggravates the problems. I honestly have little sympathy for those property speculators who live elsewhere and who have houses bought purely for profit and not being rented but sitting empty.

If a law is brought in that encourages them to sell or rent it out or have the potential for it being borrowed for 6 months, once every 3 years then maybe that might change things. Alternatively, make the council tax surcharge much, much bigger. It probably won't stop buyers at the high end of the market but it might deter speculators who are buying up houses that would otherwise be bought by the average bod.

I think things should change and maybe this is the time to start looking at it.
 


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