[Football] Pep Guardiola's yellow ribbon

Lush said:

Pep Guardiola is being charged by the FA for wearing a yellow ribbon in the dugout in support of imprisoned politicians in Catalonia.

"Before a manager, I am a human being," the 47-year-old Spaniard said.

"They [the FA] know I'll wear the yellow ribbon always. It's not about politicians, it's about democracy; it's about helping the people who didn't do absolutely anything."

I wonder how this one will pan out? It will be interesting to see how far the FA go with this - or if eventually football comes before politics for Guardiola.

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AmexRuislip said:

It's something that Pep believes in, and rightly so, he should be allowed to wear it.
It's not interfering with anything, it's only the Muppets in the FA have something to moan about.
Similar to the Poppy gate episode a while back, always someone having to stick their snout in where it's not wanted.

F1 has so many adverts plastered all over their cars, even football kits are becoming advertisement boards.
It's logos being used for gain, whether political or not.
Who really cares these days

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bn9 bha said:

I have noticed him wearing the yellow ribbon, but I though it was promoting a charity, shows how much I know.
I wonder how many people also didn't know what the ribbon was for, or had actually noticed it. Point is I know now and I think he is correct to wear something that he believes in.

Watch any football match these days and get bombarded with adverts for betting companies.

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AmexRuislip said:

It's something that Pep believes in, and rightly so, he should be allowed to wear it.
It's not interfering with anything, it's only the Muppets in the FA have something to moan about.
Similar to the Poppy gate episode a while back, always someone having to stick their snout in where it's not wanted.

F1 has so many adverts plastered all over their cars, even football kits are becoming advertisement boards.
It's logos being used for gain, whether political or not.
Who really cares these days

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Frutos said:

Don't see any issue with it myself - no different than wearing a poppy to show your support for a cause.

Sad that football seems happy to allow corporate sponsorship of every sodding possible thing, then the FA get arsey over a ribbon.

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Westdene Seagull said:

Another one that didn't know what it was for - the FA have done a grand job promoting the cause ! Doh

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Goldstone1976 said:

Hmm. One argument is that because Pep believes in the cause, he should be allowed to wear it, another that it's the same as wearing a poppy.

I think it's way more complicated than that.

Let's take the "he should be able to wear whatever symbol he likes to support whatever cause he wants" argument first. I assume then that you'd have no problem with him wearing either of these symbols if he believed in the cause they represent?

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If you'd object, surely you'd be guilty of hypocrisy? "he can wear whatever he likes, providing he doesn't wear something I object to" can't be the basis of a policy.

Secondly, the yellow ribbon really isn't the same as a poppy. A reasonable interpretation of a poppy is rembrance. Remembering the war dead is, in and of itself, not a political statement. Sure, you can make it a political statement if you so choose, but there is a valid non-political interpretation. Not so with the yellow ribbon in the context of Pep's admitted usage. It shows either support for Catalan independence from Spain &/or support for the Catalan politicians who have been imprisoned by the Spanish Government because of their support of Catalan independence. Whichever way you cut it - it is a political statement and nothing else.

Pep wearing a political symbol that will be seen by hundreds of millions (billions?) of people in just about every country in the world has to be a big problem for the FA (and maybe Sky/BT?)

I don't see that the FA has any choice but to say "No political symbols", no matter how much in agreement with the sentiment expressed by the symbol any individual may be.

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Goldstone1976 said:

Hmm. One argument is that because Pep believes in the cause, he should be allowed to wear it, another that it's the same as wearing a poppy.

I think it's way more complicated than that.

Let's take the "he should be able to wear whatever symbol he likes to support whatever cause he wants" argument first. I assume then that you'd have no problem with him wearing either of these symbols if he believed in the cause they represent?

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If you'd object, surely you'd be guilty of hypocrisy? "he can wear whatever he likes, providing he doesn't wear something I object to" can't be the basis of a policy.

Secondly, the yellow ribbon really isn't the same as a poppy. A reasonable interpretation of a poppy is rembrance. Remembering the war dead is, in and of itself, not a political statement. Sure, you can make it a political statement if you so choose, but there is a valid non-political interpretation. Not so with the yellow ribbon in the context of Pep's admitted usage. It shows either support for Catalan independence from Spain &/or support for the Catalan politicians who have been imprisoned by the Spanish Government because of their support of Catalan independence. Whichever way you cut it - it is a political statement and nothing else.

Pep wearing a political symbol that will be seen by hundreds of millions (billions?) of people in just about every country in the world has to be a big problem for the FA (and maybe Sky/BT?)

I don't see that the FA has any choice but to say "No political symbols", no matter how much in agreement with the sentiment expressed by the symbol any individual may be.

Edit: sorry about the size of the images - not intentional.

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Spiros said:

Or what if Pep was wearing either the red rose of labour or the conservative tree thing? There might be a few different opinions then ...

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Westdene Seagull said:

Personally I think it's pretty pathetic from the FA but nothing every surprises me from them. It's also rather strange they don't allow it but UEFA do !

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Goldstone1976 said:

Hmm. One argument is that because Pep believes in the cause, he should be allowed to wear it, another that it's the same as wearing a poppy.

I think it's way more complicated than that.

Let's take the "he should be able to wear whatever symbol he likes to support whatever cause he wants" argument first. I assume then that you'd have no problem with him wearing either of these symbols if he believed in the cause they represent?

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If you'd object, surely you'd be guilty of hypocrisy? "he can wear whatever he likes, providing he doesn't wear something I object to" can't be the basis of a policy.

Secondly, the yellow ribbon really isn't the same as a poppy. A reasonable interpretation of a poppy is rembrance. Remembering the war dead is, in and of itself, not a political statement. Sure, you can make it a political statement if you so choose, but there is a valid non-political interpretation. Not so with the yellow ribbon in the context of Pep's admitted usage. It shows either support for Catalan independence from Spain &/or support for the Catalan politicians who have been imprisoned by the Spanish Government because of their support of Catalan independence. Whichever way you cut it - it is a political statement and nothing else.

Pep wearing a political symbol that will be seen by hundreds of millions (billions?) of people in just about every country in the world has to be a big problem for the FA (and maybe Sky/BT?)

I don't see that the FA has any choice but to say "No political symbols", no matter how much in agreement with the sentiment expressed by the symbol any individual may be.

Edit: sorry about the size of the images - not intentional.

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GT49er said:

.....or the purple of UKIP - that would have large numbers of NSC spitting feathers!

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Simster said:

Not really, it would just mark out the manager as some sort of bell end. In fact you'll probably find Alan Pardew dressed in something purple some time soon.

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