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Stat Brother · May 7, 2016

Hey [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] and any other junior football types (1066?)

As tonight's not the night for Big Board 'me me me' I'll keep this in-house.

I have a problem, I'm not too sure just how irrationally mental I should go.

At training this morning Jnr was in goal and had his wrist fractured by a shot from one of the coaches. :ohmy:

It was just from the shot, jnr didn't land on his hand funny or anything like that.

I'm not one for panicked over reactions (I didn't take him to hospital until after the Albion!!)

But the longer the day has gone on, the more I've stewed on it, and in realising just how much he's now going to miss, inc a post SATS activity week away with school, the angrier I've got.

I am right in thinking the club doesn't have any 'wriggle room' do they?
As much as it shouldn't does this sort of think occasionally happen in a 'contact sport'?

I do know the answers, I just want to be sure my ballisticness is well founded.

Bold Seagull · May 7, 2016

Stat Brother said:
Hey [MENTION=16159]Bold Seagull[/MENTION] and any other junior football types (1066?)

As tonight's not the night for Big Board 'me me me' I'll keep this in-house.

I have a problem, I'm not too sure just how irrationally mental I should go.

At training this morning Jnr was in goal and had his wrist fractured by a shot from one of the coaches.
It was just from the shot, jnr didn't land on his hand funny or anything like that.

I'm not one for panicked over reactions (I didn't take him to hospital until after the Albion!!)

But the longer the day has gone on, the more I've stewed on it, and in realising just how much he's now going to miss, inc a post SATS activity week away with school, the angrier I've got.

I am right in thinking the club doesn't have any 'wriggle room' do they?
As much as it shouldn't does this sort of think occasionally happen in a 'contact sport'?

I do know the answers, I just want to be sure my ballisticness is well founded.

1. Absolutely this is a breach of FA guidelines and child welfare.
2. An accident report should have been recorded and given to you, and reported to the club child welfare officer.
3. The club owe a duty of care to your son, and this hasn't happened.

Coaches shouldn't be joining in with the kids, as tempting as it is. They certainly shouldn't be shooting or tackling them. Your next port of call is the club child welfare officer and then if you feel it necessary the Sussex FA. It doesn't sound like you're at all satisfied with how this has been handled, which would occur to me that the club aren't putting the right processes in place in the event of a child being injured, let alone that being caused by a coach.

1066familyman · May 8, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
1. Absolutely this is a breach of FA guidelines and child welfare.
2. An accident report should have been recorded and given to you, and reported to the club child welfare officer.
3. The club owe a duty of care to your son, and this hasn't happened.

Coaches shouldn't be joining in with the kids, as tempting as it is. They certainly shouldn't be shooting or tackling them. Your next port of call is the club child welfare officer and then if you feel it necessary the Sussex FA. It doesn't sound like you're at all satisfied with how this has been handled, which would occur to me that the club aren't putting the right processes in place in the event of a child being injured, let alone that being caused by a coach.

I was waiting for Bold to comment as I knew he'd put it much more succinctly than me. All of this ^.

I haven't been involved in kids football for a good few seasons now, but I will add this though:

In reality, I suspect a lot of coaches do occasionally join in with the kids, although technically they shouldn't. On the odd occasions you do it, you do it in a way where, as Bold says, you're certainly not putting in tackles or taking shots at them. It would mainly be to make numbers up, but your role would very much be to assist and for them to play off you, so to speak, rather than you being actively involved. 'Waves', a very basic pass and move/overlap drill, comes to mind as a simple example where it really works best in groups of three. Another might be a SSG where, for instance, you use players off the pitch down the sides as neutral extra men to play off and create width (these players can't tackle or be tackled). Also, we'd sometimes go in goal at the little match at the end of training if they asked for that, because they'd get a lot out of scoring against us and it can help with the bonding rather than if you never take part at all.

Technically, adults shouldn't be joining in at all, but being totally risk averse can have it's draw backs I believe. If you are joining in as a coach you really have to know the kids you're working with, be joining in for the right reasons, not on a regular basis, and with a clear awareness of what your doing. Firing off shots strong enough to fracture a wrist really isn't ticking any of those boxes I'm afraid.

Stat Brother · May 8, 2016

Thanks chaps.

None of what you said has happened Bold.
No report, no contact from a welfare officer.

I spoke to the manager who just fobbed me off with 'ill have a word with the coach' 'i wasn't there' etc'.
Although I accept I wasn't able to listen. It was somewhat Anglo-Saxon on my part.

I've woken up still pissed off just thinking about all the stuff Jnr will be missing out on now.
It really isn't in my nature to go at this like a dog with a bone, but it seems so reckless and with some massive consequences.

Bold Seagull · May 8, 2016

Stat Brother said:
Thanks chaps.

None of what you said has happened Bold.
No report, no contact from a welfare officer.

I spoke to the manager who just fobbed me off with 'ill have a word with the coach' 'i wasn't there' etc'.
Although I accept I wasn't able to listen. It was somewhat Anglo-Saxon on my part.

I've woken up still pissed off just thinking about all the stuff Jnr will be missing out on now.
It really isn't in my nature to go at this like a dog with a bone, but it seems so reckless and with some massive consequences.

If it is an FA Chartered club, each training session should have at least 1 FA level 1 qualified coach/manager. Having done that course that manager should know how serious an incident that was. While Stat Jnr can't rewind the damage to his wrist, this should be a big wake up call at the very least to the football club. Each club should also hold insurance against injuries etc. Like I said, first port of call is find out who the club child welfare officer is and take it up with them - see how seriously they take it. You'd really like to think a youth football club would react in a way to ensure all helpers/coaches/managers are briefed about preventing this from happening, and dealing with injuries/accidents.

Had it happened in a session to me, I'd have either stopped the session to help the injured player, or taken the player to their parent / contacted parent. If immediate medical attention wasn't required I'd have filled out an incident report outlining what happened and given this to the parent, taking a copy and issuing this to our child welfare officer. I'd then be having a word with helpers/coaches about not getting too involved. Our child welfare officer or chairman would then likely contact you to find out how the child is, and explain what the club have done about the incident - i.e. Ensure all adults know not to take shots at kids!

Indurain's Lungs · May 8, 2016

Stat Brother said:
Thanks chaps.

None of what you said has happened Bold.
No report, no contact from a welfare officer.

I spoke to the manager who just fobbed me off with 'ill have a word with the coach' 'i wasn't there' etc'.
Although I accept I wasn't able to listen. It was somewhat Anglo-Saxon on my part.

I've woken up still pissed off just thinking about all the stuff Jnr will be missing out on now.
It really isn't in my nature to go at this like a dog with a bone, but it seems so reckless and with some massive consequences.

I'm also fairly averse to pushing these types of situations but if the coach doesn't think he's done anything wrong then that's a big problem. You'll feel terrible of he does it again to another kid.

Stat Brother · May 8, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
If it is an FA Chartered club, each training session should have at least 1 FA level 1 qualified coach/manager. Having done that course that manager should know how serious an incident that was. While Stat Jnr can't rewind the damage to his wrist, this should be a big wake up call at the very least to the football club. Each club should also hold insurance against injuries etc. Like I said, first port of call is find out who the club child welfare officer is and take it up with them - see how seriously they take it. You'd really like to think a youth football club would react in a way to ensure all helpers/coaches/managers are briefed about preventing this from happening, and dealing with injuries/accidents.

Had it happened in a session to me, I'd have either stopped the session to help the injured player, or taken the player to their parent / contacted parent. If immediate medical attention wasn't required I'd have filled out an incident report outlining what happened and given this to the parent, taking a copy and issuing this to our child welfare officer. I'd then be having a word with helpers/coaches about not getting too involved. Our child welfare officer or chairman would then likely contact you to find out how the child is, and explain what the club have done about the incident - i.e. Ensure all adults know not to take shots at kids!

So you wouldn't have wriggled his wrist about, said you're ok and asked him to carry on training!
It's tough to ask Jnr about this because every time he says something like that I have to stop the conversation for half an hour.

The manager wasn't there because he'd taken his son home as his heyfever was playing up.
Yet the other coaches left jnr with a fractured wrist.

half hour later...

It is a chartered club, and no paperwork was done.

Another coach phoned his mum, asking if jnr will be available for the summer tournaments.

half hour later...

It's easy to say good practices haven't been followed.

Stat Brother · May 8, 2016

Oh and as is customary:-

in and out of A&E in 1 hour 10 mins.

Examination - x ray - temp cast - specialist appointment for a week on monday.

God I love the NHS.

Bold Seagull · May 8, 2016

Stat Brother said:
Oh and as is customary:-

in and out of A&E in 1 hour 10 mins.

Examination - x ray - temp cast - specialist appointment for a week on monday.

God I love the NHS.

http://www.sussexfa.com/safeguarding

http://www.sussexfa.com/safeguarding/welfare-officers

Motogull · May 8, 2016

SB, sue the FA and then visit the coach with Stanley.

1066familyman · May 8, 2016

Blimey!, Kittel looks super strong! Add to that his train is looking very well oiled and it's hard to see anyone, or thing, beyond a bump in the road, beating him here.

Doubt he'll still be there at the end though. Points jersey seems to be a straight battle between Nizzolo and Viviani again.

Pantani · May 9, 2016

1066familyman said:
Blimey!, Kittel looks super strong! Add to that his train is looking very well oiled and it's hard to see anyone, or thing, beyond a bump in the road, beating him here.

Doubt he'll still be there at the end though. Points jersey seems to be a straight battle between Nizzolo and Viviani again.

Hopefully the finish tomorrow will lumpy enough to make it difficult for Kittel. Whilst it is fun watching someone win that impressively for a while, I think I am over it now. Would be nice to be under any doubt who is going to win a stage.

Indurain's Lungs · May 9, 2016

It's like Cavendish in his pomp. No one else bothers chasing/leading out/sprinting/turning up to the race.

Stat Brother · May 9, 2016

In yesterday's podcast Viviani said the rest of the sprinters are racing for Kittel's wheel as it guarantees them second.
None are able to get the wheel and then go round.

1066familyman · May 9, 2016

Well tomorrow we'll see how strong Kittel really is.

Clearly he's the fastest here and then some, but what are his climbing legs like? Usually he just doesn't have any, but he seems to have improved a bit this season (remember hata dam).

It's going to be quite interesting to see which sprinters get dropped and which make it for what is likely to be a reduced bunch sprint. I've put 50p e/w on Sbaragli as he seems to be in good form and does do the odd bump in the road quite well. Although, depending on what sprinters do make it, Colbrelli rightly is quite short odds.

We could also see an attack staying away over that last climb just under 10km from the finish. With the gradients it seems a prefect launch pad for the likes of Moser if he wants to get into pink, or even someone like Brandle.

If several teams have anything about them tomorrow they should be racing it hard enough to ensure the likes of Kittel are definitely not there at the business end. In which case, I wonder if Jungles might be allowed to leave Kittel and go for Pink himself?

Has all the makings of a very interesting stage tomorrow.

Pantani · May 10, 2016

1066familyman said:
Well tomorrow we'll see how strong Kittel really is.

Clearly he's the fastest here and then some, but what are his climbing legs like? Usually he just doesn't have any, but he seems to have improved a bit this season (remember hata dam).

It's going to be quite interesting to see which sprinters get dropped and which make it for what is likely to be a reduced bunch sprint. I've put 50p e/w on Sbaragli as he seems to be in good form and does do the odd bump in the road quite well. Although, depending on what sprinters do make it, Colbrelli rightly is quite short odds.

We could also see an attack staying away over that last climb just under 10km from the finish. With the gradients it seems a prefect launch pad for the likes of Moser if he wants to get into pink, or even someone like Brandle.

If several teams have anything about them tomorrow they should be racing it hard enough to ensure the likes of Kittel are definitely not there at the business end. In which case, I wonder if Jungles might be allowed to leave Kittel and go for Pink himself?

Has all the makings of a very interesting stage tomorrow.

Indeed, I did not realise that the final climb was so steep. Hatta Dam is one thing, Kittel can empty the tank up a short sharp final climb, but can he do that then still have enough for a sprint 9km later? I very much doubt it. 18% max on this climb, no chance Kittel. I fancy Colbrelli for this one. 8-1 on Bet 365 but available at 14s in places.

Taybha · May 10, 2016

Hello latex clad people , i have been given a Trek 2000 roadbike , with soppy skinny tyres that look like they would puncture if they hit a grain of sand , now i'm a total novice and simply can not ride a bike with the handlebars in their usual road style position due to a lower back injury , i would however like to start gentle rides to regain some cardio fitness , so my question is can i reverse the handlebars to a upright position and still ride it ? or is that unsafe , cheers .

Pantani · May 10, 2016

Taybha said:
Hello latex clad people , i have been given a Trek 2000 roadbike , with soppy skinny tyres that look like they would puncture if they hit a grain of sand , now i'm a total novice and simply can not ride a bike with the handlebars in their usual road style position due to a lower back injury , i would however like to start gentle rides to regain some cardio fitness , so my question is can i reverse the handlebars to a upright position and still ride it ? or is that unsafe , cheers .

It is extremely unsafe because the brakes are not in the correct position if you do that.

You can either get a stem that raises the position of the bars (cheapest option) but will not make an awful lot of difference to your riding position; or buy a new flat handlebar, where you will have to replace brake and gear levers (expensive option) though you will end up much more comfortable in the long run.

Your best bet is to go in to your LBS and get some advice on bike fitting/riding position. You went regret it, I can assure you.

Finally, your soppy skinny tyres will not puncture (very often) if you pump them up properly. 100 psi for road bike tyres.

Taybha · May 10, 2016

Pantani said:
It is extremely unsafe because the brakes are not in the correct position if you do that.

You can either get a stem that raises the position of the bars (cheapest option) but will not make an awful lot of difference to your riding position; or buy a new flat handlebar, where you will have to replace brake and gear levers (expensive option) though you will end up much more comfortable in the long run.

Your best bet is to go in to your LBS and get some advice on bike fitting/riding position. You went regret it, I can assure you.

Finally, your soppy skinny tyres will not puncture (very often) if you pump them up properly. 100 psi for road bike tyres.

Thankyou very much , probably saved me going over the top of the handlebars , will take it in to a shop see what they can come up with .

nickbrighton · May 10, 2016

Taybha said:
Hello latex clad people , i have been given a Trek 2000 roadbike , with soppy skinny tyres that look like they would puncture if they hit a grain of sand , now i'm a total novice and simply can not ride a bike with the handlebars in their usual road style position due to a lower back injury , i would however like to start gentle rides to regain some cardio fitness , so my question is can i reverse the handlebars to a upright position and still ride it ? or is that unsafe , cheers .

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