What was wrong with our first (disallowed) goal?

Sheebo · Mar 15, 2015

Brighton4Cambridge3 said:
Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em is a bit before my time.

Your reputation goes before you, must be fishing; he's clearly level.

Forget the line, he's clearly level as that pic proves. I assume Evs is on a wind up to. Otherwise he really needs to learn perspective views ...

You've had a mare here [MENTION=23]Everest[/MENTION] if you're being serious...

Either way, as we all know, goals change games so there was no guarantee we'd have scored the second goal even If we had a half competent lino who should've allowed this goal to stand...

nwgull · Mar 15, 2015

Brighton4Cambridge3 said:
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As you can see, this is a better picture, from the moment the ball is kicked (quarter / half a frame before the one posted previously) . CMS's left foot is the furthest part of his body forward and that is level with the nearest Wolves player AND the player on the farside.
This picture also takes into account the angle perception problem I posted above.

On the assumption that the groundsmen at the Amex cut the grass in lines perpendicular to the the touchline, your blue line is wonky.

Kuipers Supporters Club · Mar 15, 2015

nwgull said:
On the assumption that the groundsmen at the Amex cut the grass in lines perpendicular to the the touchline, your blue line is wonky.

It takes into account the camera angle 'perception', a simple straight line that had the same 'line' as the pitch would distort that.

But [MENTION=457]sheebo[/MENTION]'s post above sums up what I'm saying very well. Maybe I'll stay away from Paint in the future.

Here are pictures 'before' and 'after'

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Everest · Mar 15, 2015

I know all about perspectives thanks sheebo.

That second picture is way out as the black line shows below.

nwgull · Mar 15, 2015

Brighton4Cambridge3 said:
It takes into account the camera angle 'perception', a simple straight line that had the same 'line' as the pitch would distort that.

But [MENTION=457]sheebo[/MENTION]'s post above sums up what I'm saying very well. Maybe I'll stay away from Paint in the future.

I'm confused? On the near side, your blue line starts on the goal side of the cut grass, and it finishes on the far side behind the cut grass. I don't think that camera angle will change anything as far as perfectly perpendicular lines are concerned.

Rogero · Mar 15, 2015

He was level.

Kuipers Supporters Club · Mar 15, 2015

nwgull said:
I'm confused? On the near side, your blue line starts on the goal side of the cut grass, and it finishes on the far side behind the cut grass. I don't think that camera angle will change anything as far as perfectly perpendicular lines are concerned.

I would think it would, i've removed the lines in the pictures above, which shows he's level anyway.

Lethargic · Mar 15, 2015

Nothing.

severnside gull · Mar 15, 2015

Bollocks. It was a goal. We was robbed.

That said it only meant that we would have gifted them an equaliser earlier and with more time to get the winner.

Kuipers Supporters Club · Mar 15, 2015

Everest said:
I know all about perspectives thanks sheebo.

That second picture is way out as the black line shows below.

I think we've established I'm not going to win any awards on MS Paint, the pictures without anything prove he's onside.

Everest · Mar 15, 2015

Brighton4Cambridge3 said:
I think we've established I'm not going to win any awards on MS Paint, the pictures without anything prove he's onside.

Sorry, disagree 100%.

CMS is at fault, he had the line to look along and got it wrong again.

Kuipers Supporters Club · Mar 15, 2015

Everest said:
Sorry, disagree 100%.

CMS is at fault, he had the line to look along and got it wrong again.

Okay, but he's level, I'll stop nibbling now anyway.

The Large One · Mar 15, 2015

matski_98 said:
I noticed that after Bruno scored a few minutes later CMS didn't go over and join in the celebrations.

Was that intended as a swipe at CMS? If so, why? Because the simple matter is - he did go over.

Everest · Mar 15, 2015

Brighton4Cambridge3 said:
Okay, but he's level, I'll stop nibbling now anyway.

Case closed.

Offside

DarrenFreemansPerm · Mar 15, 2015

Everest said:
Sorry, disagree 100%.

CMS is at fault, he had the line to look along and got it wrong again.

I'm a bit mystified by this debate, the colouring of the grass is the clearest indicator of who's on/offside, at the point of impact from Calderon only CMS's feet are advanced from the line, all of the Wolves defenders are behind it? Surely that's conclusive enough without drawing inaccurate coloured lines across the pitch?

Everest · Mar 15, 2015

DarrenFreemansPerm said:
I'm a bit mystified by this debate, the colouring of the grass is the clearest indicator of who's on/offside, at the point of impact from Calderon only CMS's feet are advanced from the line, all of the Wolves defenders are behind it? Surely that's conclusive enough without drawing inaccurate coloured lines across the pitch?

As long as the pitch is cut perfectly, which it looks as though it is.

Turkey · Mar 15, 2015

Surely when that shot is taken, regardless of whether or not he's in line, he's not interfering with play. He's not in the goalkeepers line of site. When Kuszczak parries it, isn't that then a new phase?

Everest · Mar 15, 2015

Turkey said:
Surely when that shot is taken, regardless of whether or not he's in line, he's not interfering with play. He's not in the goalkeepers line of site. When Kuszczak parries it, isn't that then a new phase?

No, as I posted earlier that according to FIFA's definitions of Law 11

“gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
i. that rebounds or is deflected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save
by an opponent having been in an offside position

As it was a save that rebounded to him off of PIG, then he had gained an advantage (ever so slightly, but enough)

WATFORD zero · Mar 15, 2015

Everest said:
CMS is at fault, he had the line to look along and got it wrong again.

To be fair to CMS, i didn't notice the blue line at the match yesterday, so he may not have

Vegas Seagull · Mar 15, 2015

WATFORD zero said:
To be fair to CMS, i didn't notice the blue line at the match yesterday, so he may not have

Dull

No excuse or need for even being close with the view he had

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