catalonia independence vote......

JC Footy Genius · Oct 3, 2017

Hampster Gull said:
Is this clown still going to Brussels Has his German wife left him yet? And wasn't he living in the USA post the referendum. Another elite financier.

Poor man can't win ... condemned for not turning up to do his job and condemned for turning up to do his job!

B-right-on · Oct 3, 2017

dingodan said:
MP Birgitta JÓNSDÓTTIR / Iceland (Pirate Party)

We need a Pirate Party!!!

dingodan · Oct 3, 2017

B-right-on said:
We need a Pirate Party!!!

We've had one for ages!

https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/

Eeyore · Oct 3, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:

He's called it right on Catalonia and he knows that the EU want BREXIT to fail.

JC Footy Genius · Oct 3, 2017

Brighton Lines said:
He's called it right on Catalonia and he knows that the EU want BREXIT to fail.

Quite possibly and if that's the case we better be prepared for a no deal option and toughen our negotiating position.

cunning fergus · Oct 4, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
Poor man can't win ... condemned for not turning up to do his job and condemned for turning up to do his job!

It’s hard to disagree with Farage here, however I can’t believe he is an outlier in his condemnation about how the EU’s dealing with this unfolding crisis.

I’m surprised the media were unable to reflect this wider condemnation within the EU itself as otherwise they are creating a narrative that it is anti EU Farage and UKIP that is vigorously opposing an otherwise moribund EU on a serious human rights issue.

Worse still, yesterday on BBC news the item on Catalonia was preceded by an item about how the EU’s Parliament had voted in agreement with Barnier and Juncker to continue to suppress negotiations with the U.K. on post Brexit trade. This included an interview from a German MEP suggesting May sack Johnson.

It was a perfect example of the hypocrisy of the EU, in Catalonia they are mute as the widespread beating of peaceful EU citizens by a member’s states paramilitary police is supposedly an internal matter for Spain, yet at the same time they are quite willing to foment for the dismissal of a member state’s Foreign minister because they dislike his more robust view on Brexit.

The die hard bigoted remainers will be unmoved but there will be plenty of reasonable minded remainers who will see the duplicitous nature of the EU.

vegster · Oct 4, 2017

We seem to suddenly be in a very worrying situation, I can see no winners here and fear escalation on both sides.

Green Cross Code Man · Oct 4, 2017

Hampster Gull said:
Is this clown still going to Brussels [emoji38]ol: Has his German wife left him yet? And wasn't he living in the USA post the referendum. Another elite financier.

So you haven't been one of the many remainer posters on here who has complained and said he has a cheek to show up in the European parliament then?

JC Footy Genius said:
Poor man can't win ... condemned for not turning up to do his job and condemned for turning up to do his job!

This.

And on the issue of Spain and Catalonia, he is absolutely correct.

Incidentally, Juncker won't be a very happy man this morning as tax deals with Amazon made whilst he was prime minister of Luxembourg, are being investigated as illegal. Doesn't that place him in the same set of elite financiers?

Deleted member 22389 · Oct 4, 2017

Green Cross Code Man said:
So you haven't been one of the many remainer posters on here who has complained and said he has a cheek to show up in the European parliament then?

This.

And on the issue of Spain and Catalonia, he is absolutely correct.

Incidentally, Juncker won't be a very happy man this morning as tax deals with Amazon made whilst he was prime minister of Luxembourg, are being investigated as illegal. Doesn't that place him in the same set of elite financiers?

Ah yes I forgot all about those sweetheart deals wunker made.

nicko31 · Oct 4, 2017

Hampster Gull said:
Is this clown still going to Brussels Has his German wife left him yet? And wasn't he living in the USA post the referendum. Another elite financier.

Rocks up occasionally to justify his allowances, German wife left long ago. Cheap shots ref Catalonia situation, does nothing as an MEP

Westdene Seagull · Oct 4, 2017

Hampster Gull said:
Is this clown still going to Brussels Has his German wife left him yet? And wasn't he living in the USA post the referendum. Another elite financier.

Given you don't even live on the continent that is affected by the EU let alone the UK or Spain your whining is a bit rich.

Steve in Japan · Oct 4, 2017

Could it be that EU membership in practise encourages secessionists to ignore the member state as increasingly irrelevant? Obviously the EU does not want a breakdown of member states (for now at least), but if Catalonia perceive Spain as less relevant/useful to them than the EU (and for that you could read Scotland and the UK) then you can start to see a pattern.

SeagullinExile · Oct 4, 2017

I'm not one for signing petitions, but after what we all saw on Sunday I had to sign this one

Sign if you want to show solidarity with the Catalonian people...or not, it's up to you.

Apologies if this has been posted already :thumbsup:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200914

beorhthelm · Oct 4, 2017

Steve in Japan said:
Could it be that EU membership in practise encourages secessionists to ignore the member state as increasingly irrelevant? Obviously the EU does not want a breakdown of member states (for now at least), but if Catalonia perceive Spain as less relevant/useful to them than the EU (and for that you could read Scotland and the UK) then you can start to see a pattern.

completely the opposite, they've stressed many times for Scotland and i believe this week to Catalonia, that EU membership is not automatic. secession from member state means leaving the EU and apply to join as an independent nation.

Perry Milkins · Oct 4, 2017

'Supposed' to be going there on a mid week break at the end of the month. Will be taking FO advice but will also listen to the sages on here...

Steve in Japan · Oct 4, 2017

beorhthelm said:
completely the opposite, they've stressed many times for Scotland and i believe this week to Catalonia, that EU membership is not automatic. secession from member state means leaving the EU and apply to join as an independent nation.

I know that's their response, but I wonder if secessionists believe that. The SNP clearly didn't, and I doubt the Catalonians do.

cunning fergus · Oct 4, 2017

nicko31 said:
Rocks up occasionally to justify his allowances, German wife left long ago. Cheap shots ref Catalonia situation, does nothing as an MEP

This kind of statement indicates just how little political intelligence some people have about politics and more specifically those that choose to vote against established parliaments for political reasons.

Farage and the other UKIP MEPs should be doing whatever is lawfully permitted to disrupt and confound the working of the EU. In doing so they are acting in accordance with the wishes of the cohort of constituents that voted for them. In the last EU election UKIP returned the most MEPs.

If they had any sense they should attend as often as is needed to secure the maximum in benefits/payments from the EU so that they use that money to campaign against the EU.

People like you never moan about Sinn Fein MPs not attending Parliament and still taking money or the SNP MPs meddling in non Scottish affairs and yet the dynamics are the same.

You're bleating on this just makes you look dumb.

nicko31 · Oct 4, 2017

cunning fergus said:
This kind of statement indicates just how little political intelligence some people have about politics and more specifically those that choose to vote against established parliaments for political reasons.

Farage and the other UKIP MEPs should be doing whatever is lawfully permitted to disrupt and confound the working of the EU. In doing so they are acting in accordance with the wishes of the cohort of constituents that voted for them. In the last EU election UKIP returned the most MEPs.

If they had any sense they should attend as often as is needed to secure the maximum in benefits/payments from the EU so that they use that money to campaign against the EU.

People like you never moan about Sinn Fein MPs not attending Parliament and still taking money or the SNP MPs meddling in non Scottish affairs and yet the dynamics are the same.

You're bleating on this just makes you look dumb.

Ukip MEPs attend the fewest European Parliament votes of any party in the EU's 28 countries. Farage, participation of EU votes 38% (745th place), number of MEP's 751. He's no fisherman's friend

Green Cross Code Man · Oct 4, 2017

nicko31 said:
Ukip MEPs attend the fewest European Parliament votes of any party in the EU's 28 countries. Farage, participation of EU votes 38% (745th place), number of MEP's 751. He's no fisherman's friend

And yet his position as a member of that pathetic house, and as leader of a party that wishes to remove its direct influence from our country, has been enormously effective and for that achievement, you cannot abide him. He has done everything his electorate asked of him. Highly successful politician.

cunning fergus · Oct 4, 2017

nicko31 said:
Ukip MEPs attend the fewest European Parliament votes of any party in the EU's 28 countries. Farage, participation of EU votes 38% (745th place), number of MEP's 751. He's no fisherman's friend

How many UKIP voters will be turned off UKIP or Farage by having a poor voting record in the EU Parliament?

Have Sinn Fein ever lost support from their supporters by MPs not attending Parliament. This is a political party that nominated Bobby Sands to be an MP in Fermanagh. You know where he was at the time?

The fact that you seem unable to understand this very simple construct in political objectives and motives renders your contribution meaningless, you are dimmer than dim.

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