[Politics] Brexit

Baldseagull said:

I suspect a lot would blame Thatcher, but for the wrong reason, she was key to establishing the single market after all. When she was selling it to us, she said, "Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers—visible or invisible—giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people.

Bigger than Japan. Bigger than the United States. On your doorstep. And with the Channel Tunnel to give you direct access to it."

But ask people the question, do you think stronger unions could have prevented the temporary wage depression in construction trades? If you get a yes, ask them to work back to where unions started to lose power, you get to Thatcher.

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Baldseagull said:

further education was a Bricklaying apprenticeship, my wages were hit when the accession countries gained access.

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Baldseagull said:

I won't be trawling the thread looking to catch you out, but use of hyperbole is common to both sides of this argument, are you certain you have not used any? The EU has been described as a dictatiorship, Judges as traitors etc.

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JC Footy Genius said:

Amusing reading your attempts to pin this on Mrs T.



Remind me which Prime Minister decided it would be a good idea to place no restrictions on the accession countries citizens coming here to work when numerous other EU countries did ?

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Baldseagull said:

Tony Blair, and yes that was a mistake. Do you see the pattern here? UK Government actions causing UK issues.

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JC Footy Genius said:

It was ever thus. UK governments actions cause issues, EU actions cause issues but we only get to vote one of them out of power.

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BigGully said:

But those are opinions, maybe extreme ones but no more than opinion, saying there is a current recession, or that the economy is crashing is not the same, it's quantifiable.

If you say the markets will crash and the inflation will increase to 10% they are opinions at the time of posting but can then be reasonably revisited to see if they were accurate or not, if you choose to latch on to every negative data set and use it as a stick to beat the UK economy it deserves scrutiny, when it becomes obvious it never happened and it happens multiple times to one or two posters then of course it might be used to disqualify that posters future view, he can post what he wants but might expect a reminder of those previous inaccurate and political driven predictions and rightly loses credibility.

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WATFORD zero said:

We could have voted them out, but instead the UK kept electing swivel-eyed loons as MEPs who then didn't turn up or vote

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BigGully said:

But those are opinions, maybe extreme ones but no more than opinion, saying there is a current recession, or that the economy is crashing is not the same, it's quantifiable.

If you say the markets will crash and the inflation will increase to 10% they are opinions at the time of posting but can then be reasonably revisited to see if they were accurate or not, if you choose to latch on to every negative data set and use it as a stick to beat the UK economy, Brexit and the Tory Party it deserves scrutiny, when it becomes obvious it never happened and those views are repeated multiple times by one or two posters then of course it might be used to disqualify that posters future view, he can post what he wants but might expect a reminder of those previous inaccurate and political driven predictions and rightly loses credibility.

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vegster said:

BigGully as the voice of reason! hilarious!

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BigGully said:

Would you like to repeat an earlier claim where you said that those absurd posts weren't yours

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vegster said:

I'm currently working today but I'll give you some homework for you and reply tonight. If the economy is doing so well, your words not mine, please give a single piece of evidence to support that.

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Herr Tubthumper said:

I’ve just been catching up on Mays idiotic discussions with Merkel. So, leaving the jurisdiction of ECJ is a red line she won’t cross. But she also wants to remain a member of the EU’s law enforcement arm, Europol, and the European arrest warrant...... but both are policed by the ECJ. Even an idiot can see you can’t therefore be a member of these.

I’m slowly coming round to the idea I’d like her and David to just **** off and stop wasting our time. Just go.

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Herr Tubthumper said:

I’ve just been catching up on Mays idiotic discussions with Merkel. So, leaving the jurisdiction of ECJ is a red line she won’t cross. But she also wants to remain a member of the EU’s law enforcement arm, Europol, and the European arrest warrant...... but both are policed by the ECJ. Even an idiot can see you can’t therefore be a member of these.

I’m slowly coming round to the idea I’d like her and David to just **** off and stop wasting our time. Just go.

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JC Footy Genius said:

I'm sure you know the difference between voting out a government and voting for a handful of MEP's.

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Herr Tubthumper said:

I’ve just been catching up on Mays idiotic discussions with Merkel. So, leaving the jurisdiction of ECJ is a red line she won’t cross. But she also wants to remain a member of the EU’s law enforcement arm, Europol, and the European arrest warrant...... but both are policed by the ECJ. Even an idiot can see you can’t therefore be a member of these.

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ManOfSussex said:

I know you like freedom and taking back control and the democratic will of the majority etc.............

What do you think of this?

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I'm sure you're thrilled. Likewise if Scotland or Northern Ireland chose their own path, you would be well happy too, surely?

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JC Footy Genius said:

I'm sure you know the difference between voting out a government and voting for a handful of MEP's.

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Lincoln Imp said:

Just to let the thread know that according to today's S Times someone has found 37 (aka "nearly 40") clever people to group together as "Brains for Brexit". So many!

(Sadly they all appear to be experts at one thing or another - theology, a couple of economists and so on - so I suppose we have to ignore them.)

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