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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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DTES

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,022
London
Two Professors said:
That sounds right to me.The Euroland types can't sell us so much crap because the pound is weak,but we can sell plenty for the same reason.Hurrah for the balance of payments.Is that what you mean?:D
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Well, personally I meant the increased cost of every single product that travels either way between us & the EU once we're out the customs union. But yes, if the pound never recovers then our exports will be boosted. Everything you & I buy, and every overseas holiday you or I ever go on, will be more expensive, but yes, hurrah for the balance of payments :thumbsup:
 






Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
DTES said:
Well, personally I meant the increased cost of every single product that travels either way between us & the EU once we're out the customs union. But yes, if the pound never recovers then our exports will be boosted. Everything you & I buy, and every overseas holiday you or I ever go on, will be more expensive, but yes, hurrah for the balance of payments :thumbsup:
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Well,if people want to sell stuff to us,they will have to follow the rules of World trade,as opposed to protectionist isolationism.I've had several holidays abroad this year,and haven't really noticed much difference in price,flights in particular seem cheaper,with increased baggage allowances.
 


Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
DTES said:
Talking of facts, this... isn't one. We do not have to leave the single market, and indeed many on the leave side campaigned saying "don't worry, we're not going to do anything daft like leave the single market"
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I think you will find the clue is in the word Br-EXIT.
 


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DTES

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,022
London
Two Professors said:
Well,if people want to sell stuff to us,they will have to follow the rules of World trade,as opposed to protectionist isolationism.
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Yes, they will. And if we trade under WTO rules, we

a) Will probably end up charging tariffs on imported goods; these tariffs will increase the cost of everything imported. Maybe every single industry will end up with a tariff-free trade agreement... not sure how likely that is.
b) Will definitely have to put in place customs checks on our borders, increasing the cost of shipping every product than enters the UK. Businesses aren't going to suck up these costs; they're going to on to the prices

I've had several holidays abroad this year,and haven't really noticed much difference in price,flights in particular seem cheaper,with increased baggage allowances.
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You may not have noticed, but it cost you more than if the pound hadn't devalued. A €50 or $50 meal cost you more in £ than it would have done before the referendum. So did your hotel room, and absolutely everything else you bought.
 




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DTES

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,022
London
Two Professors said:
I think you will find the clue is in the word Br-EXIT.
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You don't think the Exit in Brexit refers to the European Union?

Even Nigel bloody Farage was saying before the referendum that we wouldn't leave the Single Market, but would stay in it like other non-EU countries like Norway & Switzerland.

"the Norway option looks the best for the UK" - Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder
"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing" - Nigel Farage
"Only a madman would actually leave the Market" - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer
"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market" - Daniel Hannan MEP
 


DavidinSouthampton

DavidinSouthampton

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NSC Patron
Jan 3, 2012
16,589
Two Professors said:
I think you will find the clue is in the word Br-EXIT.
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But "Exit" what. One could in theory and perhaps in practice leave the EU but maintain access to the single market. I would have thought one Professor could have understood that, let alone two.
 






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brighton fella

New member
Mar 20, 2009
1,645
The Clamp said:
Who's bothering him? And even if they were, I'm failing to see the connection between lefties bothering him and him spending our tax money on the questionable EDF . I suppose you mean the £15k on bodyguards? I'm more interested in how he's spending the £2.5M!
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He was attacked inside his own car with his wife and kids inside, it weren't the first time either that he's been set upon by a bunch of scabby crusties.
Do not worry your head to much as this silly £2,5M made up figure is not set to last , for Farage not only bites the hand that feeds him but is doing his up most to rid us from the shitehole, why on earth would he want to destroy something like that.. why not do as the other to*sers do and fight tooth and nail to remain part of the dump and continue coining in the proceeds eventually fleecing the robbing bast*rds dry with a bit of luck. :D
 




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Berty23

Well-known member
Jun 26, 2012
3,206
brighton fella said:
He was attacked inside his own car with his wife and kids inside, it weren't the first time either that he's been set upon by a bunch of scabby crusties.
Do not worry your head to much as this silly £2,5M made up figure is not set to last , for Farage not only bites the hand that feeds him but is doing his up most to rid us from the shitehole, why on earth would he want to destroy something like that.. why not do as the other to*sers do and fight tooth and nail to remain part of the dump and continue coining in the proceeds eventually fleecing the robbing bast*rds dry with a bit of luck. :D
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So he won't take a pay off and pension? Good man. He took a wage and rarely turned up. Less good.
 




Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
DTES said:
Yes, they will. And if we trade under WTO rules, we

a) Will probably end up charging tariffs on imported goods; these tariffs will increase the cost of everything imported. Maybe every single industry will end up with a tariff-free trade agreement... not sure how likely that is.
b) Will definitely have to put in place customs checks on our borders, increasing the cost of shipping every product than enters the UK. Businesses aren't going to suck up these costs; they're going to on to the prices



You may not have noticed, but it cost you more than if the pound hadn't devalued. A €50 or $50 meal cost you more in £ than it would have done before the referendum. So did your hotel room, and absolutely everything else you bought.
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There's that probably:whistle: word again! If you think there are no customs checks in place already,you have never tried to import containers from non-EU countries.I can assure you customs are there.I certainly didn't notice the odd few cents here and there-most normal people don't.I don't sit there with my pint of Tropical thinking 'must make this last longer cos it costs me 5 cents more'!:drink:
 


Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
DavidinSouthampton said:
But "Exit" what. One could in theory and perhaps in practice leave the EU but maintain access to the single market. I would have thought one Professor could have understood that, let alone two.
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One could in theory,but I'm talking about reality.No freedom of movement,no ECJ,therefore no single market.Any country can sell stuff to Europe,particularly if they want to sell stuff back.Just cannot see for the life of me what is so hard to understand.
 






JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
DTES said:
You don't think the Exit in Brexit refers to the European Union?

Even Nigel bloody Farage was saying before the referendum that we wouldn't leave the Single Market, but would stay in it like other non-EU countries like Norway & Switzerland.

"the Norway option looks the best for the UK" - Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder
"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing" - Nigel Farage
"Only a madman would actually leave the Market" - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer
"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market" - Daniel Hannan MEP
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Really? Most of those quotes were taken out of context or from well before the referendum.





 


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The Rivet

Well-known member
Aug 9, 2011
4,512
DTES said:
Risky for them as a party? Tough shit, their job is to do what's best for the country. If harming the economy isn't a good enough reason to change tack, then neither is their party's vote share.
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If democracy needs to be seen to be upheld the conservatives have no other mandate except to leave the EU. As promised and argued about (extensively I might add) before the referendum. Leave won the vote. The government, tough job that it is, need to do what is best for democracy. You cannot hide behind the soft argument people are regretting that decision. Most voted in the election for policies, parties and individuals representing the ref result. Now your socialist LSE confirm it with a poll questioning a fair few disparate voters. Your above highlighted statement is hypocrisy belonging to a child throwing their toys out of the pram.
 


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Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
The Rivet said:
If democracy needs to be seen to be upheld the conservatives have no other mandate except to leave the EU. As promised and argued about (extensively I might add) before the referendum. Leave won the vote. The government, tough job that it is, need to do what is best for democracy. You cannot hide behind the soft argument people are regretting that decision. Most voted in the election for policies, parties and individuals representing the ref result. Now your socialist LSE confirm it with a poll questioning a fair few disparate voters. Your above highlighted statement is hypocrisy belonging to a child throwing their toys out of the pram.
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The referendun was advisory, nothing more.
 










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