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bWize · May 26, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
You *******. You are giving me hope.

I think the people in general would have a much bigger voice under Labour. We are pretty much being dictated to under the current party in power. When Blair/Milliband were leading Labour I had no time for them whatsoever. Had many a row with the old man about it during the Blair/Brown years (He's old school Labour) but now even he admits he got it wrong and accepted Blair wasn't what he advertised himself as. Anyway my point is, I really believe the reformed Labour party under Corbyn far exceeds anything else is on offer. The thought of another 6 years under Theresa May and the Tories would genuinely make me seriously question moving myself and family to another country.

There is only so much you can put the squeeze on people, but the Tories are intent on taking it to new levels. A country of this standing and wealth should have one the best education and public services on the globe. Yet look at how it's going!

jakarta · May 26, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
. The thought of another 6 years under Theresa May and the Tories would genuinely make me seriously question moving myself and family to another country.

No-one stopping you - out if interest where would you go?

Harry Wilson's tackle · May 26, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
I think the people in general would have a much bigger voice under Labour. We are pretty much being dictated to under the current party in power. When Blair/Milliband were leading Labour I had no time for them whatsoever. Had many a row with the old man about it during the Blair/Brown years (He's old school Labour) but now even he admits he got it wrong and accepted Blair wasn't what he advertised himself as. Anyway my point is, I really believe the reformed Labour party under Corbyn far exceeds anything else is on offer. The thought of another 6 years under Theresa May and the Tories would genuinely make me seriously question moving myself and family to another country.

There is only so much you can put the squeeze on people, but the Tories are intent on taking it to new levels. A country of this standing and wealth should have one the best education and public services on the globe. Yet look at how it's going!

We could discuss this all night. My best mate (retired forensic social worker who has seen it all - he sniffed out many a wrong-un, seeking release) is a massive Corbyn man. My political judgement has little value, especially according to my own opinion. I don't have the resolute certainty of the likes of some. We shall see. All the best.

bWize · May 26, 2017

jakarta said:
No-one stopping you - out if interest where would you go?

I didn't say anyone was stopping me. Not sure why you would say that though? As for which country, I would look at suitable options.

Why? You thinking of coming along for the ride? :thumbsup:

jakarta · May 26, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
I didn't say anyone was stopping me. Not sure why you would say that though? As for which country, I would look at suitable options.

Why? You thinking of coming along for the ride?

Got a couple of more years to pay mortgage off, we have been visiting different parts of Italy for many years with regard to retirement but sadly Mrs Jakartas cancer has been our dominant interest over the past 12 months. Health puts all this political bollocks into perspective...

JC Footy Genius · May 26, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
I think the people in general would have a much bigger voice under Labour. We are pretty much being dictated to under the current party in power. When Blair/Milliband were leading Labour I had no time for them whatsoever. Had many a row with the old man about it during the Blair/Brown years (He's old school Labour) but now even he admits he got it wrong and accepted Blair wasn't what he advertised himself as. Anyway my point is, I really believe the reformed Labour party under Corbyn far exceeds anything else is on offer. The thought of another 6 years under Theresa May and the Tories would genuinely make me seriously question moving myself and family to another country.

There is only so much you can put the squeeze on people, but the Tories are intent on taking it to new levels. A country of this standing and wealth should have one the best education and public services on the globe. Yet look at how it's going!

May I suggest Venezula where you can experince the joys of Socialism in all it's glory.

https://youtu.be/VSIQAKpaR20

Venezuela : the country that should have been so rich but ended up this poor
Venezuela is the answer to what would happen if an economically illiterate drug cartel took over a country

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-so-rich-but-ended-up-this-poor-a7038421.html

Hugo Chávez statue torn down as death toll rises in Venezuela protests

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...own-as-death-toll-rises-in-venezuela-protests

Venezuela's infant mortality, maternal mortality and malaria cases soar
Country’s economic crisis takes heavy toll on public health, with infant death rate up 30%, maternal mortality up 65%, and malaria cases up 76% in 2016

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...alth-crisis-infant-mortality-maternal-malaria

wellquickwoody · May 26, 2017

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bWize · May 26, 2017

jakarta said:
Got a couple of more years to pay mortgage off, we have been visiting different parts of Italy for many years with regard to retirement but sadly Mrs Jakartas cancer has been our dominant interest over the past 12 months. Health puts all this political bollocks into perspective...

Sorry to hear that and understand where you are coming from. I genuinely wish you and Mrs J all the best!

bWize · May 26, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
May I suggest Venezula where you can experince the joys of Socialism in all it's glory.
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Not sure why I would want to go there? Does the fact I don't feel the way the country is currently heading under the current government automatically put me in to the "socialist/communist loon" bracket? I don't agree with everything JC says but I would trust him far more than anything else currently on offer. I believe he is a man of principle and of his word. I wouldn't trust Theresa May to babysit the kids, let alone run the country for another 6 years.

JC Footy Genius · May 26, 2017

Arundel_Seagull said:
Not sure why I would want to go there? Does the fact I don't feel the way the country is currently heading under the current government automatically put me in to the "socialist/communist loon" bracket?

Not at all just thought it might give you some perspective on what Corbyn and his fellow travellers consider a successful model to follow.

Saying that anyone Voting for Corbyn automatically puts them into the "socialist/communist/ dangerously deluded /gullible loon" bracket.

jonny.rainbow · May 26, 2017

Buzzer said:
Quite right. He wasn't member of the IRA but was very much a fellow traveller who supported a United Ireland on Sinn Fein/IRA terms. Suggest Clamp/Nibble reads this esp. the words of Lord Bew who is just about the most authoritative figure on Northern Ireland and the Troubles as you can get.

The Paul Bew of the Boston College tapes?

If authoritative figures are akin to partisan documentarians masquerading as historians I 100% agree with you.

Dorset Seagull · May 26, 2017

The whole political world is in a complete mess. These days we don't know who is telling the truth and who is lying. We don't know if we would lie about stuff because we have inside knowledge that leads us to to the conclusion that it's in everyone's best interest to do so. We all think that we know which policies would work and which wouldn't and which is the best economic path to take. But do we really?

It's all one great big confusion even before you chuck in all the social media crap that further muddies the waters.

Buzzer · May 26, 2017

jonny.rainbow said:
The Paul Bew of the Boston College tapes?

If authoritative figures are akin to partisan documentarians masquerading as historians I 100% agree with you.

Lord Bew has been widely praised by Irish and British politicians for the significant contributions to the Good Friday Agreement. Also his many comments about Bloody Sunday and his position as adviser on the Saville Report don't fit with the idea of someone deeply partisan and further proof would be that he sits as a crossbencher in the House of Lords.

As for an authoritative figure, I'm struggling to think of someone more qualified to speak on N. Ireland than him. The Guardian think so too https://www.theguardian.com/education/2004/mar/09/highereducation.highereducationprofile

I know Gerry Adams doesn't much like him and even more so because of the tapes but I would wear Adams' displeasure as a badge of honour.

Neville's Breakfast · May 26, 2017

jonny.rainbow said:
The Paul Bew of the Boston College tapes?

If authoritative figures are akin to partisan documentarians masquerading as historians I 100% agree with you.

I had to google the Boston tapes to refresh my memory. Excuse my ignorance but what was partisan about the project ? Upon googling the main criticism seems to have been disclosure of the interviews without permission. Does this render the
content false ? You appear to be defending Gerry Adams and saying the tapes are false. Excuse me if that is incorrect.

The Clamp · May 27, 2017

Buzzer said:
A man completely out of the loop and with little influence with the decision-makers even within his own party talks to IRA terrorists. So what did he do with these talks?

Did he publicly or privately ask them to desist from killing 4 year old children?
How did he think that constantly praising and supporting an armed struggle would help bring about peace?
Did he look to build a consensus by inviting the SDLP as well - quite pertinent bearing in mind the SDLP are the sister party of the Labour Party in N. Ireland or did he follow the Sinn Fein line in opposing SDLP influence?
Did he also talk to Unionist terrorists?
Did he ever praise Unionist terrorists as he did IRA terrorists?
Did he approach either the British or Irish governments with details of his discussions with Sinn Fein/IRA?
Did he play a part in the Good Friday Agreement - did he ever ask to speak to Trimble, Hume or Mowlam?
Did his struggle for peace in N. Ireland stretch any further than IRA/Sinn Fein and if not why not?

I've heard mention by McDonnell that the motivation for his praise of the IRA was to stop them from feeling ostracised at a critical stage. By the same token, why then did Corbyn not use his significant influence on the LCI when they published a six-page character assassination of John Hume at a particularly low point in Anglo-Irish relations?

Peace? What a load of scollobs.

All questions, no answers.

The truth is you haven't got a clue what his connection with the IRA was, you posted a clipping that according to you was the final word on Corbyn but purposely omitted the next page. You don't like him so you're adding disparate quotes and speculation to come up with a very unconvincing argument indeed.

Pretty pink fairy · May 27, 2017

The Clamp said:
All questions, no answers.

The truth is you haven't got a clue what his connection with the IRA was, you posted a clipping that according to you was the final word on Corbyn but purposely omitted the next page. You don't like him so you're adding disparate quotes and speculation to come up with a very unconvincing argument indeed.

What about his side kick Mcdonald ,Batman and Robin, eh Albert
regards
DR

The Clamp · May 27, 2017

Pretty pink fairy said:
What about his side kick Mcdonald ,Batman and Robin, eh Albert
regards
DR

You really are a loser.

Dr. No · May 27, 2017

Buzzer said:
Did he publicly ask them to desist from killing 4 year old children?
Did he look to build a consensus by inviting the SDLP as well?
Did he also talk to Unionist terrorists?
Did he ever praise Unionist terrorists as he did IRA terrorists?
Did he approach either the British or Irish governments with details of his discussions with Sinn Fein/IRA?
Did he play a part in the Good Friday Agreement - did he ever ask to speak to Trimble, Hume or Mowlam?
Did his struggle for peace in N. Ireland stretch any further than IRA/Sinn Fein?

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

Thunder Bolt · May 27, 2017

The Clamp said:
All questions, no answers.

The truth is you haven't got a clue what his connection with the IRA was, you posted a clipping that according to you was the final word on Corbyn but purposely omitted the next page. You don't like him so you're adding disparate quotes and speculation to come up with a very unconvincing argument indeed.

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The Clamp · May 27, 2017

Thunder Bolt said:
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