[Politics] Brexit

Jim in the West · Aug 21, 2017

pastafarian said:
An effective border control controls permission at the point of entry.
Which powers that we have which we dont exercise could stop EU people gaining entry?

My point is, the UK government has decided it does NOT want to stop EU people gaining entry, post-Brexit. Anyone from the EU will be free to come and go as they please - as long as they don't work or claim social security. It's a slightly bizarre scenario, as (a) EU nationals are currently net contributors to the UK economy (ie, they pay more in taxes than they claim in benefits), and (b) we need MORE immigration not less - certainly in the south of the UK - there simply aren't enough people to do the jobs required. People are worried that EU citizens come to UK and "sponge off the state" - the UK government could put a stop to that immediately (if it were true). Funnily enough, it chooses not to.

Jim in the West · Aug 21, 2017

pastafarian said:
Oops you will be stepping on a few remainer toes, some remainers have been saying an EFTA deal will seperate us from The ECJ.......wish you lot would make your mind up.

It's not me that needs to make up my mind - it's the UK government - they are the ones proposing EFTA.

The Merry Prankster · Aug 21, 2017

pastafarian said:
Then why are we arguing?
You believe most people arguing against the EU have nothing more than a deep distrust of foreigners, you admit it, you are a bigot.
End of conversation.

I believe everyone with a deep distrust of foreigners argues against the EU. Would that be fair? If it is then it is just a question of "how many". Estimates vary is about all one could say.

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
So what? Why would you worry about them? And what bearing would this have on the uk?

That's fairly obvious,I would have thought.The German car industry is already in deep doodoo over the lies it told about the pollution levels from it's engines,and probable massive costs in the future.Looking at another of it's major customers possibly imposing high tariffs on their products just might wake them up enough to give the clown act of Verhofstadt and Barmier a kick up the fat arse.Time is ticking away,and the whistling is getting louder!

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

The Clamp said:
I used to. Back in '97. He's since proven himself to untrustworthy.

What do you think of Minford,then?

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
Our point of reference here is a leading Leave economist's view that introducing tariff-free trading would lead to the virtual elimination of British manufacturing. Why would BMW and Renault be more worried about this than a British manufacturer? Is someone suggesting that they would be completely eliminated?

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about,no change there.

Herr Tubthumper · Aug 21, 2017

Two Professors said:
That's fairly obvious,I would have thought.The German car industry is already in deep doodoo over the lies it told about the pollution levels from it's engines,and probable massive costs in the future.Looking at another of it's major customers possibly imposing high tariffs on their products just might wake them up enough to give the clown act of Verhofstadt and Barmier a kick up the fat arse.Time is ticking away,and the whistling is getting louder!

But my post was about cheapo imports....and Germany doesn't really compete in the cheap car market does it?

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

Baldseagull said:
A bit cheeky of you to accuse me of rewriting history with the beaulocks you have been coming out with. I was making a distinction between Slavery as in the legal ownership of another human being, has been abolished throughout the world, and forced labour imposed on people by the state, often in Prisons, as was practiced in the USA until 1941 so they could be contracted out to private industry, and as is practiced within Japanese prisons, Chinese prisons etc. today. Giving me a segue back to Brexit, this dropping of all tariffs, should it include products produced by forced labour in Japan, China and elsewhere?

I would certainly imagine so,but the Japanese and Chinese you mention would not be worked to death or gassed.I would also think their children would not be placed in soldiers' brothels.Slight difference between forced labour and slavery in the Third Reich,I think.Oh,and did I mention the British Empire abolished slavery in 1834?

Hamilton · Aug 21, 2017

BigGully said:
Aaaah and there we have it, for someone that see's himself as a prominent player in this thread you lack the detail.

For the EU growth wrongly depicted as the UK's decline by [MENTION=225]Hamilton[/MENTION] for period being discussed, Romania had the greatest % growth at 1.7% followed by Latvia 1.6% and Slovenia at 1.5%. (bake bean analogy)

No wonder you and @HerrTubthumper find the facts gibberish and very rarely post anything substantive.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/08/uk-economy-falls-to-bottom-of-eu-growth-league

What is it actually like on your planet? I'd love to know.

In the meantime, the data shows that while we are growing, comparative to other economies, we are under-performing.

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

The Merry Prankster said:
I believe everyone with a deep distrust of foreigners argues against the EU. Would that be fair? If it is then it is just a question of "how many". Estimates vary is about all one could say.

Surely it is the EU that has a deep distrust of foreigners,particularly when it comes to trade?

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
But my post was about cheapo imports....and Germany doesn't really compete in the cheap car market does it?

Only with the Opel/Vauxhall Zippo.The snobby attitude of some to Far Eastern car imports is a bit dated now.If China and Japan can reach the moon,I'm certain they can produce luxury cars.

nicko31 · Aug 21, 2017

Jim in the West said:
My point is, the UK government has decided it does NOT want to stop EU people gaining entry, post-Brexit. Anyone from the EU will be free to come and go as they please - as long as they don't work or claim social security. It's a slightly bizarre scenario, as (a) EU nationals are currently net contributors to the UK economy (ie, they pay more in taxes than they claim in benefits), and (b) we need MORE immigration not less - certainly in the south of the UK - there simply aren't enough people to do the jobs required. People are worried that EU citizens come to UK and "sponge off the state" - the UK government could put a stop to that immediately (if it were true). Funnily enough, it chooses not to.

So freedom of movement stays and you can work illegally instead of paying into the system, Brexit Lite or Brexit sh1te?

nicko31 · Aug 21, 2017

Two Professors said:
That's fairly obvious,I would have thought.The German car industry is already in deep doodoo over the lies it told about the pollution levels from it's engines,and probable massive costs in the future.Looking at another of it's major customers possibly imposing high tariffs on their products just might wake them up enough to give the clown act of Verhofstadt and Barmier a kick up the fat arse.Time is ticking away,and the whistling is getting louder!

All I see from SMMT is BMW, Merc and VW sales figures holding up well. But this is for people with money, meanwhile Brexit is continues to hit the poor

The Clamp · Aug 21, 2017

Two Professors said:
What do you think of Minford,then?

Not a lot.

Baldseagull · Aug 21, 2017

Two Professors said:
Only with the Opel/Vauxhall Zippo.The snobby attitude of some to Far Eastern car imports is a bit dated now.If China and Japan can reach the moon,I'm certain they can produce luxury cars.

They can, they are not too bothered by things like patents, and intellectual property though, have you seen the Landwind X7?

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

nicko31 said:
All I see from SMMT is BMW, Merc and VW sales figures holding up well. But this is for people with money, meanwhile Brexit is continues to hit the poor

I suggest you visit an optician,then!

Two Professors · Aug 21, 2017

Baldseagull said:
They can, they are not too bothered by things like patents, and intellectual property though, have you seen the Landwind X7?

They might not have to bother.I notice that Great Wall have approached Fiat about purchasing Jeep,as Fiat are apparently struggling at the moment.

Pretty pink fairy · Aug 21, 2017

Herr Tubthumper said:
Exactly. Obviously cheap cars might be good for the punter but, as with most things in life, and looking at the bigger picture, you need a balance between what's good for the punter and what's good for the worker and the economy etc etc. To achieve this balance you need some form control against Britain being flooded with cheap foreign imports.

I will also suggest that the nation would be better off if it bought quality products as opposed to cheap shit but this is a different argument.

cheap foreign imports

what do you think freedom of movement is

GIVE UP WE'RE LEAVING :lolol:

regards
DR

Pretty pink fairy · Aug 21, 2017

nicko31 said:
All I see from SMMT is BMW, Merc and VW sales figures holding up well. But this is for people with money, meanwhile Brexit is continues to hit the poor

YEAH, BECAUSE LOADS OF PEOPLE RENT CARS NOT BUY THEM THESE DAYS YOU DIN

regards
DR

nicko31 · Aug 21, 2017

Baldseagull said:
They can, they are not too bothered by things like patents, and intellectual property though, have you seen the Landwind X7?

Just you wait, we'll be importing them into the UK soon as part of a post Brexit Chinese trade deal

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