[Politics] Brexit

Stat Brother · Oct 18, 2018

pastafarian said:
Two or more sides in a negotiation not one
But well done for entirely missing the point that there is a requirement by treaty

But it isn't down to the EU to lead the negotiations.
It's certainly not in their best interests, trying to say 2 sides are negotiating is being very disingenuous.
One side is holding 4 aces and a loaded gun while the other has 8 high and a water pistol with the added bonus of sideliners screaming 'go all in', followed by 'what did you go all in for'.

For all of us that missed it, it's good of the government to reinact the last Sex Pistols gig, for us.

Peter Grummit · Oct 18, 2018

Respected ex-BBC journalist Gavin Esler:

"Here in Brussels there is bemusement and alarm that a British Government which does not know what it wants keeps asking EU leaders to help them deliver it. Respect has gone. Pity is in evidence. And increasing impatience."

Raleigh Chopper · Oct 18, 2018

Peter Grummit said:
What an utter, utter shambles this has all become. The rest of the world is laughing at us. EU countries like the French are preparing to introduce full border checks under no deal. Australia, for example, see the opportunity to pick us off in a trade deal that suits them, because we'll be so desperate.

Apologies if it's been covered, but do you all know that the French own Newhaven port and subsidise the Dieppe ferry to the tune of E25m per annum? The contract to run the boats runs out in the Summer of 2020. Who really thinks they'll continue the subsidy? My money is on no more ferry service, just as the new port road is ready to open! Did ESCC build that risk into their £13m funding contribution, using our money? Or will they throw more of our money at subsidising the ferry from this end?

Still, I guess 'Leave means Leave' trumps all this. 'You lost, stop moaning' is somehow the comeback.

In all honesty, however you voted, can anyone say this is how they thought it would play out?

Never mind PPI, endowment mortgages, Brexit is the worst case of mis-selling of them all.

PG

Yes this is how I saw it turning out in all honesty.
It was one of the main reasons I voted remain, I knew our hapless government, PM and politicians were not able to get together for the good of the country and do the right thing, it's all about them not us as usual.
It should never have been called in the first place anyway.

GT49er · Oct 19, 2018

Peter Grummit said:
Respected ex-BBC journalist Gavin Esler:

"Here in Brussels there is bemusement and alarm that a British Government which does not know what it wants keeps asking EU leaders to help them deliver it. Respect has gone. Pity is in evidence. And increasing impatience."

Would that be, respected ex-BBC journalist, Europhile and leave voter Gavin Esler by any chance? Chum of Laura Kuenssberg maybe?

Baldseagull · Oct 19, 2018

GT49er said:
Would that be, respected ex-BBC journalist, Europhile and leave voter Gavin Esler by any chance? Chum of Laura Kuenssberg maybe?

Not sure you have his voting record correct, but regardless of his bias, I doubt he is wrong in describing loss of respect and growing pity and impatience, do you really think he is wrong?

pastafarian · Oct 19, 2018

Stat Brother said:
But it isn't down to the EU to lead the negotiations.
It's certainly not in their best interests, trying to say 2 sides are negotiating is being very disingenuous.
One side is holding 4 aces and a loaded gun while the other has 8 high and a water pistol with the added bonus of sideliners screaming 'go all in', followed by 'what did you go all in for'.

For all of us that missed it, it's good of the government to reinact the last Sex Pistols gig, for us.

You would benefit from reading article 50

Peter Grummit said:
Respected ex-BBC journalist Gavin Esler:

"Here in Brussels there is bemusement and alarm that a British Government which does not know what it wants keeps asking EU leaders to help them deliver it. Respect has gone. Pity is in evidence. And increasing impatience."

That will be Gavin Esler full time remoaner, now a champion and speaker at the ignore the referendum, do it all again peoplevote debacle group.....sorry but have zero respect for people that want to ignore democracy because they lost

Baker lite · Oct 19, 2018

I imagine sometime today we will see a load of celebrity luvvies throwing their Michael Caine DVDs on a bonfire in Parliament square.Nothing enrages a luvvie more than someone with a different opinion to them, they will be SPITTING rage with Sir Michael’s latest outburst, some will be calling for the removal of his Knighthood..

The Clamp · Oct 19, 2018

Baker lite said:
I imagine sometime today we will see a load of celebrity luvvies throwing their Michael Caine DVDs on a bonfire in Parliament square.Nothing enrages a luvvie more than someone with a different opinion to them, they will be SPITTING rage with Sir Michael’s latest outburst, some will be calling for the removal of his Knighthood..

He's a pensioner and multi millionaire tax exile . Frankly I'm not that fussed what he has to say about Brexit.

Garry Nelson's teacher · Oct 19, 2018

The Clamp said:
He's a pensioner and multi millionaire tax exile . Frankly I'm not that fussed what he has to say about Brexit.

TBH I'd extend that lack of interest to most if not all celebs who hold forth on political issues (except when I agree with them!). Seriously, anyone writing from planet celeb doesn't have a great deal of grasp of the daily life for experiences of most people, but there's a special place in the rogues' gallery for those who enjoy tax exile status.

Garry Nelson's teacher · Oct 19, 2018

sir albion said:
It's not really a leave government is it?
If it was we'd have a government with a backbone that doesn't roll over like a bunch of pussies when dealing with the Brussel sprouts !!
You can't get deals with that lot and I'm not sure they give a shite as long as they have control of everything.
Bloody Irish border issues lol....to actually think Brussels have this sort of control over these parts makes me cringe.
Just pull out and leave the border as it is as it's got fack all to do with them once we leave!!
They can talk to the republic if they so choose after..Bloody bunch of control freaks who can't be pleased.
May is such a weak woman and dragging this on so long is bloody embarrassing.

Stop sitting on the bloody fence and tell us what you really think.

daveinplzen · Oct 19, 2018

Love the way Brexiteers make up scenarios and over time..believe them :lol:

Westdene Seagull · Oct 19, 2018

Garry Nelson's teacher said:
TBH I'd extend that lack of interest to most if not all celebs who hold forth on political issues (except when I agree with them!). Seriously, anyone writing from planet celeb doesn't have a great deal of grasp of the daily life for experiences of most people, but there's a special place in the rogues' gallery for those who enjoy tax exile status.

Totally agree ...... maybe now we can also stop quoting celebs like Brian Cox as well ?

Westdene Seagull · Oct 19, 2018

daveinplzen said:
Love the way Brexiteers make up scenarios and over time..believe them

What scenario has been made up then ?

Baker lite · Oct 19, 2018

The Clamp said:
He's a pensioner and multi millionaire tax exile . Frankly I'm not that fussed what he has to say about Brexit.

So you won’t be burning your copy of ZULU in Parliament square?

Berty23 · Oct 19, 2018

So are we going to leave and just stay in the customs union indefinitely? It counts as leaving because we would be out of the EU so it honours the vote but it simply means that we just have to follow all the rules we have no say over. Maybe out means out except when you are out but act like you are not out.

That will sit well with those wanting to take back control.

daveinplzen · Oct 19, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
What scenario has been made up then ?

The sort of rubbish 2Prof/Baker Lite is dribbling.

nicko31 · Oct 19, 2018

Looks like the EU has approved a trade agreement with Vietnam. A far cry from the growing climate of protectionism in the US.

This week the EU will also this week give its final signature to a trade deal with Singapore, which has already been negotiated and ratified.

Still waiting from the Brexiteers on here for any tangible benefits of leaving the world's biggest trading block??

We do still have Andrea Leadsoms jam and biscuits Brexit plan...

The Clamp · Oct 19, 2018

Baker lite said:
So you won’t be burning your copy of ZULU in Parliament square?

Nope. I like the man. I’ve had a few cups of coffee with him and his wife and got given a box of cigars from him. I used to guard his property in Leatherhead when it was being built. Thoroughly nice people, just don’t have much regard for his view on Brexit.

Simster · Oct 19, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
What scenario has been made up then ?

It's funny, you're happy to chase the remainers around the board who make dubious remarks (notably plooks and dave), but you're less prepared to defend your own dubious nonsense. Why should these people defend their own sometimes daft comments when you're not prepared to defend your own utter bilge? Stuff like this:

Westdene Seagull said:
I wonder what business would join a club that prevented it from seeking and doing deals with customers who weren't also a member of the club ?

You post a load of shit but then decide you're above it all when it comes to explaining yourself.

Double standards.

Westdene Seagull · Oct 19, 2018

Simster said:
It's funny, you're happy to chase the remainers around the board who make dubious remarks (notably plooks and dave), but you're less prepared to defend your own dubious nonsense. Why should these people defend their own sometimes daft comments when you're not prepared to defend your own utter bilge? Stuff like this:

You post a load of shit but then decide you're above it all when it comes to explaining yourself.

Double standards.

I asked Dave a perfectly polite question and he replied, perfectly politely. Not sure what has rattled your cage.

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