Baldseagull
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But will they be British Jobs?https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/14/easyjet-austria-eu-flights-brexit
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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But will they be British Jobs?https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/14/easyjet-austria-eu-flights-brexit
Butch Willykins
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I'm sure we'll be just fine. You disagree. Neither of us will change the others point of view. Goodnight, god bless.
Looks desperate and incompetent.
Baldseagull
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I think you are confused mate, it is not the EU throwing up a drawbridge, we are by refusing to have the ECJ govern anything we do.
Nobody is aiming for the situation where there is no permission to land planes in EU countries, but there has to be a deal in place for it to happen, remember that for some, no deal is better than a bad deal, no deal means no flights, amongst other things.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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no... i dont know why this myth persists, if you remove tariffs, goods are cheaper. we'd remove tariffs leaving the EU. though you've missed the point anyway, which was whether we can shop at all or not.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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looks like you havent followed through on your own analogy. i wasnt talking about getting benefits from membership without paying in, im refering to the misguided view that trade and commerce with the EU ends in 2019.
GT49er
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Hopefully no we can't (not that it is madness anyway). It's the real world, and what is going to happen.
No it isn't. Stop dreaming.
Then as a British EU negotiator you should resign, and make way for a better one; one who doesn't want it to fail would be a significant improvement.
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
- 9,091
It's not me - it's the writer of the article!!!
Brexiters burying their heads in the sand as always. It is going to be a DISASTER.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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It's not like the Tesco club card though is it, and it certainly isn't a club.
I'm not aware of any club that operates a policy that requires less than 10% of its membership to pay the fees for the remaining 90%.
If you want to use a metaphor, then being in the EU is like a tax, we pay more tax than other countries bar Germany because we are richer than most, our money is then re-distributed to poorer countries.
In return for our tax we have limited influence due to not being in the euro and have to abide by rules imposed by an unelected politburo, like freedom of movement, that have been roundly rejected by the majority of the electorate.
No taxation without representation is a refrain that makes sense in the EU construct...........an old adage, people went to war for it.
Of course it won't end...it will just be on terms beneficial to the EU....which unfortunately means detrimental to the UK.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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my contention is this is a load of plop. no deal means reverting to international agreements or where no such deal exists some deal on that specific area will be arranged. as i say, if you think this is not going to happen and the EU is going to shutdown all aviation agreement with UK, what happens to their aviation? seems "no deal" has been morphed into new meaning that nothing at all can happen, no agreements can be made. despite the evidence that agreements exist between countries and the EU to cover all manner of trade, commerce and relations.
That's a simile, not a metaphor.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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As consumers we are already paying the price of EU tariffs on goods; we pay tariffs on non EU imports and for eu goods we have things like CAP which keeps prices artificially high.
Out of the EU it could be win-win on both fronts, morally we could help some of the poorest counties in the world with a truly open free trade deals, and prices for goods could actually be cheaper.
http://www.reformthecap.eu/issues/policy-instruments/tariffs
Incredible but true.
No, no deal means no deal. It does not mean reverting to previous deals. It is the 'real life' equivalent of the Bosman scenario - the contract does not revert to the previous deal. And sentences begin with capital letters*.
May will sign deals. And they are likely to be shit. And she will say 'Brexit is the will of the pople and this is what we have negociated'. If people are happy with that, who am I to demur?
Massive self-inflicted arse-gouge, though, all round. Is Cameron still being allowed to breathe in and out? It is a travesty if so.
*But they can begin with 'and' in literature and journalism, ranting on NSC being an example of the latter.
Baldseagull
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Fingers crossed eh.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,290
just like a Bosman, another contract can be arranged. seem to overlook the rest of the sentence you highlighted. "no deal" is/was a negotiating position, though maybe misguided in that it says little so has been come to mean what ever the beholder means, good for leavers, terribles for remainers. have a go at answering the question posed to determine you believe the outcome will likely be. on the one hand literally no deals, no agreements on anything, no international fall backs, with consequences for all concerned; or no one single overarching "EU lite" deal but a series of sensible agreements on bilateral and international basisl. the same as happens with every other non-EU nation.
a late night condundrum. the EU have stated a priority is to protect Ireland and ensure open border with NI. with good reason, since most goods to and from Ireland transit UK (majority going no further). how does the EU hierarchy protect their Irish client while apparently holding no agreements with UK?
GT49er
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Fair enough - then he (or she) should resign. The last thing we need is twerps who wanted to remain and really don't want Brexit to happen at all to be the ones doing the negotiations.
You have to admire remoaners in a way, though, for their blind stubborn delusion that they are the only ones who can possibly be right.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Resign from where? Perhaps you should read the article rather than calling for former diplomats/civil servants of this country to resign because they don't sing from the back of the UKIP fag packet.
pastafarian
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So many moaners still confusing arrangements for our withdrawal and negotiated framework for our future relationship with the EU with any future trade deal.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Absolutely correct, I am heartily ashamed at my lack of grammatical accuracy.
What can you expect from a working class lad from Moulsecoomb................I know my place.