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[Football] "Hughton Out" on Radio 5 Live
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bathseagull
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
So what you're saying is you can give an opinion, but responding to that opinion with your own is 'jumping on somebody'.
Bath seagull has already admitted that the 'Hughton out' comment was to just get himself on the radio, which in my opinion is pretty pathetic; if it's okay with you that I give my opinion on that. Feel free to give your opinion in return, I won't take it as 'jumping on me' just because it might differ from mine.
What I would suggest, in my opinion, is that if someone is a bit sensitive about people giving their opinion back to you, you don't go on national radio saying something stupid to hundreds of thousands of people.
I was laughing at a Palace fan called ‘Melvin’ on 606 a few weeks ago whilst he lamented the fact they’d sold Murray!
Sadly, any Palace fans listening last night would have been laughing their socks off at what BS had to say. Just embarrassing.
Sadly, any Palace fans listening last night would have been laughing their socks off at what BS had to say. Just embarrassing.
Hudd's and Fulham are often the reference points as are City and L'Pool but it feels like the argument is more of a battering ram approach to the debate
Hudd's just don't have any quality in their squad and I'm not sure whatever approach they took would yield results. City and L'pool and others just have the quality running throughout that they can
Fulham I suspect though is more a matter of too many 'individuals' in their team and assembled far too quickly. From what I've seen their defensive positioning is dreadful and their midfielders caught way too high up the pitch ... I don't believe this is how Jokanovic is intending it, just dreadful execution
I agree we're probably taking the pragmatic approach right now. Propper and Gross injured and our new recruits still not settled but I would hope that when we have a full squad and 2 or 3 of the new recruits become regular starters (if indeed they have the quality to do so) then we might look to play more like the likes of Watford and B'Muff. Their teams are not packed with expensively assembled 'stars' and they have been playing like that ever since they were promoted.
I like to think I'm adopting a middle ground, but to some I'm sure my views will be considered heresy
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Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
This is exactly how I see the current situation.
Yesterday against Everton, we consistently struggled to pass our way out of defence. This meant that there was very little respite between Everton attacks . This is purely down to a lack of confidence in the current team , as we have been capable of slick and accurate interplay during last season. We are clearly missing the calm heads of propper and Pascal gross , who both are capable of holding the ball or playing accurate passes as part of our attacking moves.
Generally agree with all your points.
BMuff did spend alot in their first season or two, relative to the lower broadcasting income then, and many of those signings didn’t become first team regulars. A bit like us now, sticking with the dependable promotion players.
They were a team that went all out, conceded loads and lost an awful lot in the PL. The benefit of wisdom and some very expensive signings (Lerma and Ake), they’ve finally tightened up at the back.
Feels like we’re a couple of years behind them in PL development. Hopefully our recruitment quartet are targeting creative CM’ers and forwards in the coming windows, at a higher and probably more expensive level.
Everton have simply spent many £100m’s in fees and wages on far better players than us in midfield. Just one of those things in football. Swap their 3 CM’ers for ours, and we’d control many a PL match. Until that time, CH has wisely taken a rudimentary approach to accumulating points.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
As CH has said himself ..even in victory
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
TottonSeagull
Well-known member
Bravo sir!
A bit (actually, a lot) of perspective put perfectly.
Great post Sir
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Maybe you should count how many tweets he's posted?
I have posted my opinion just once and I usually debate on here, not jumping all over anyone.
You seem to have a problem with me with your accusation, so I suggest you put me on ignore.
1066familyman
Radio User
- Jan 15, 2008
- 15,185
Definitely a fan, I've just recognised him, used to sit near me at Withdean.
Is that an apology then for calling him a "fan" in your opening post?
1066familyman
Radio User
- Jan 15, 2008
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So what you're saying is you can give an opinion, but responding to that opinion with your own is 'jumping on somebody'.
Bath seagull has already admitted that the 'Hughton out' comment was to just get himself on the radio, which in my opinion is pretty pathetic; if it's okay with you that I give my opinion on that. Feel free to give your opinion in return, I won't take it as 'jumping on me' just because it might differ from mine.
What I would suggest, in my opinion, is that if someone is a bit sensitive about people giving their opinion back to you, you don't go on national radio saying something stupid to hundreds of thousands of people.
Not as simple as responding to an opinion with a counter opinion though is it.
Check the first couple of pages of this thread. Plenty calling into question his status as a fan, just because of the opinion he's expressed. Turns out the bloke has supported the club all his life and was a regular at the Withdean.
So yes, he himself has been 'jumped on', not just his opinion.
Mr Banana
Tedious chump
Bit odd seeing Andy Naylor, who is regularly subjected to online abuse, tweeting personal insults about an Albion fan to 17,000ish people. Everybody needs to take responsibility if social media is gonna become less confrontational.
Chris builds a team which wins/draws enough to stay up, and not get embarrassed too often by the "Big 6".....eg: losing 2-0 at Man City, as opposed to Southampton.....
Seasider78
Well-known member
- Nov 14, 2004
- 5,937
People are taking this way too seriously sport radio is full of fans from every club making crazy statements it’s all part of the pantomime
Nobody has been hurt here and most have laughed it off as a bit ridiculous (including the bloke who said it)
Time to put the high horses back in the stables
Nobody has been hurt here and most have laughed it off as a bit ridiculous (including the bloke who said it)
Time to put the high horses back in the stables
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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Stylistically I think CH is too quick to drop his teams 15-20 yards. I think it puts us under immense pressure and we often lack the pace, particularly without Izzy, to get out, whilst this also has the effect of limiting our own pressing and isolating Murray. What is clear though is that there was a more obvious balance in the Championship. We were solid defensively but we had a stronger group of players relative to that division. The benefit of that is we often didn't push our defensive line back so far, at least until the final moments to see games out. We scored a large percentage of the goals you're talking about in that time when we were one of the dominant sides in that league. But even then, we were often slow to counter and often slowed the pace right down, allowing teams to get back in position - luckily, we had a fair bit of Knockaert and Murray magic to score the goals we needed to in tight games.
Last season, once we got going, was still quite balanced, despite the use of Gross as a number 10 meaning that we had 5 in midfield at times, again isolating Murray in away games in particular. This year however, we seem to have regressed and dropped deeper and deeper. This is inviting teams on us and with our often slow circulation of the ball, it allows better teams than us to easily reconfigure their defences before we've even got into their half. We've been lucky the 3 games previous to Everton, but I imagine that luck can't continue, at least not consistently. Eventually we have to try and attack teams to score a more regular supply of goals and to give our attacking players a chance to actually play to their potential (aside from Murray, who is performing at his absolute maximum to mask the stylistic issues and systemic deficiencies elsewhere). Of course there are risks to doing that, but there are massive risks the way we're playing at the moment by allowing good teams on to us all game every game.
So, for me, I don't enjoy the style we're playing this season and as a result I find the games tense, but without any fun - it simply isn't enjoyable to watch us play football at the moment, even with the recent results. We're not pragmatic anymore - we're defensive. They're two different things.
As to playing to our strengths, how is it playing to Izquierdo's strengths by having him sit on Bong all game, every game to cover him? How is it playing to Murray's strengths isolating him for large portions of games? How is it playing to Bruno's strengths when he's penned in all game? Or Dunk's when he only has Murray to aim at from the back? Or Kayal's when he's not pressing teams high, but he's pressing them 20 yards into our own half because the rest of the team is so deep? How is it playing to Knockaert's strengths when he has to beat 5 men and run 50 yards with the ball just to get near their box when he first receives it? I'm sorry, but this idea that he's playing to the team's strengths is rubbish - he's playing to Duffy and Bong's strengths - that's about it!
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Are we still giving this troll oxygen? Reminds me of the character in Asterix and the Roman Agent, Tortuous Convolvulus, a natural troublemaker whose mere presence causes arguments, quarrels and fights.