'Team Out'? is that what team you are on if you want him gone? 'Team Sack'? Hopefully not 'Team Jones'.
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I'm 'Team Hyypia' and proud of it, anyone else?
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'Team Out'? is that what team you are on if you want him gone? 'Team Sack'? Hopefully not 'Team Jones'.
I know we have no divine right to the playoffs but if this form continues WE ARE GOING DOWN. How many different ways are there to say it before the happy clappers realise we're in trouble?
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British Bulldog
The great escape
- Feb 6, 2006
- 10,896
Thank you for the history lesson but a lot of us were there and did witness it, Just because we had a bad period to contend with it doesn't mean we're not allowed to question where we are now and where we are going in the future.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Maybe a team reinforced wall would be better?
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
bit harsh all those thumbs down..so I've given u an up....but peeps are frustrated at the mo and fearing the worst...best cut them some slack
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I'm 'Team Time' with Robinson Tony!!
In the summer I was, due to getting on very early, Team Clement.
I then became entrenched in Team Oscar when he started getting a kicking.
So I never fully committed to Team Hyypia.
One thing though, Team Sherwood can do one.
Geestar
New member
Who?
Clueless, the past is the past, however it's not like we still do not have a ground and no money. Tony has invested a lot of money and effort into getting a great ground and a competitive squad. If you are going to build a stadium that holds 30 thousand plus, then I would presume you would hope to fill it and have ambitions to play at least the top end of the championship and one day the premiership. Like it or not football has become a business with the fans metaphorically the share holders. Those share holders want value for their money or they will no longer invest in that club, like it or not, those are plain simple facts. If we find ourselves in a relegation battle this season, it will impact on attendances and like it or not if we did go down, you could see the season ticket sales next season drop considerably, might be lucky to get 15,000 on match days ( until the club start winning). The impact of relegation could set the club back years. The most important thing this season is to remain in this league and that might just mean that we have to change the manager.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 10,707
Why?
Because our recent flirtation with foreign managers has not been a success (yes I know, playoffs two seasons in succession, but we've bottled when we got there) and as a result we've had too many managerial changes which in unsettling for the club and has meant two successive summers without a manager in place.
- Oct 17, 2008
- 10,707
I don't remember defending Hyypia's performance as coach so far. But, seeing as I'm playing devil's advocate to the foaming masses...
Guided team to the last 16 of the League Cup for the first time since the 1979-80 season, earning an away payday to a top Premier League side.
Unbeaten in five before yesterday's poor result, including three away matches (Watford and Notts Forest, two promotion candidates) and three clean sheets for Stockdale
Club sold last season's leading scorer and key player, Ulloa. Replaced in part by Chris O'Grady, who is allegedly on his way out of the club at Hyypia's behest of reports are to be believed. Another key player, Kuszczak also missing from last season's side. Plus Will Buckley, Ashley Barnes, Liam Bridcutt who all played last season at least in part.
Hyypia very unlikely to be directly involved in player recruitment, therefore he's picking someone else's team in an effort to get a bunch of players he doesn't know playing to his style.
I think there's been an awful lot of factors which are damaging our performance and on balance we're about where we should be for the level of investment made in the squad and the players who have left.
Guided team to the last 16 of the League Cup for the first time since the 1979-80 season, earning an away payday to a top Premier League side.
Unbeaten in five before yesterday's poor result, including three away matches (Watford and Notts Forest, two promotion candidates) and three clean sheets for Stockdale
Club sold last season's leading scorer and key player, Ulloa. Replaced in part by Chris O'Grady, who is allegedly on his way out of the club at Hyypia's behest of reports are to be believed. Another key player, Kuszczak also missing from last season's side. Plus Will Buckley, Ashley Barnes, Liam Bridcutt who all played last season at least in part.
Hyypia very unlikely to be directly involved in player recruitment, therefore he's picking someone else's team in an effort to get a bunch of players he doesn't know playing to his style.
I think there's been an awful lot of factors which are damaging our performance and on balance we're about where we should be for the level of investment made in the squad and the players who have left.
How you can genuinely say that our use of foreign managers has not been a success completely baffles me. It is utter nonsense. We were down the bottom of league 1 when Poyet joined, and finished 4th in the Championship when he left. Oscar took over with no pre-season and an arguable weaker squad, suffered the worst injury crisis in the history of the club and still managed to make the play-offs.
Your pathetically dull xenophobia gets in the way of reality. It's 2014 for goodness sake.
Tooting Gull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
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Come on, you can't keep on harping on about the bad old days. It has zero relevance to the set-up today, the revenues, budgets and squad. We have been within 180 minutes of the Premier League twice rather more recently than Gillingham.
I actually agree with you about that Doncaster game at Gillingham, it is by far and away the worst game of professional football I have ever seen, let alone Albion performance. Clearly anyone who says that about Boro is a JCL. And Donny is a valid point of reference, but only in a nostalgic way these days.
You say people have 'no idea'...but if we're honest, you have no idea whether or not Hyypia will be a success for us in the Championship. You don't know, and you can't know - any more than those who say he never will be and should go. At the moment the evidence is suggesting he is struggling to make an impact, but he could yet turn it around. However he needs to turn it around quickly, because by any standards relegation would be a massive failure.
If we're right down near the bottom in a couple of months, if not sooner, there will be huge pressure to make a change from the board. Not even from the fans calling for his head, but from the idea that they would vote with their feet and League One crowds would be down to 15,000 or less. And it appears in our model at the moment the crowds are hugely important financially.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Actually, it's my opinion that he won't be a success here, and that we will change manager at some point this season.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
- 10,686
THIS!
I agree with everyone that has said yesterday's performance was poor. No question at all. But bad performances happen to all teams. Middlesbrough played their part in that.
Our performances against Watford, Forest and Cardiff deserved far better IMHO. Gives me enough belief in his managerial skills.
Calling for the manager's head is taking things way too far.
I'd still give him 2 years to show what he can do.
BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
- 12,319
If I have to watch too many more games of 'Greer to Dunk...back to Greer....to Dunk....to Greer...and now to Dunk' I might just die from all the excitement.
Napier's Knee
New member
i said on a thread a few days ago that I'm incredibly proud of our club and I am. To survive what we did and to be where we are is a tribute to everyone who supported the Albion through the bad years. I think the club is now being run as a modern football club needs to be. But it's worth putting things in management speak for a minute. What is the product that is being sold? What is the Albion as a product?
it seems to me that there has been an increasingly strong emphasis on the club as a product to maximise revenue streams. This makes complete commercial and financial sense, in its own terms. But a football club is not a conventional product - maximising revenue streams is not just about selling the club as product, it is also about selling the team on the pitch. i think a bit of sight has been lost there. The two products - club and team - can't be separated, and we're now at a point where that is becoming clear - there needs to be more (controlled) investment in the team as product in order to maximise income from commercial streams.
I'm on the fence regarding SH but more convinced than ever that Oscar was the potentially greatest manager we ever had. Everything ought to have been done to keep him.
it seems to me that there has been an increasingly strong emphasis on the club as a product to maximise revenue streams. This makes complete commercial and financial sense, in its own terms. But a football club is not a conventional product - maximising revenue streams is not just about selling the club as product, it is also about selling the team on the pitch. i think a bit of sight has been lost there. The two products - club and team - can't be separated, and we're now at a point where that is becoming clear - there needs to be more (controlled) investment in the team as product in order to maximise income from commercial streams.
I'm on the fence regarding SH but more convinced than ever that Oscar was the potentially greatest manager we ever had. Everything ought to have been done to keep him.
Tooting Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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The one area where I have sympathy for Hyypia, apart from more injuries, is having Paul Barber in the background talking about maintaining squads competitive enough to challenge for promotion. This one clearly isn't.