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[Politics] Brexit
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highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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An absolutely embarrassing post, and a perfect example of everything that is wrong with modern day Britain.
Going back a few years, there was a poll on NSC about how we defined ourselves, British, English or European I think were the options. I was quite surprised that a significant minority of people defined themselves as European, so as I used to spend the summers photographing hotels and resorts all over Europe I thought that I'd ask people that I met (usually groups of people in their 20's) how they thought of themselves, whether they thought of themselves firstly as French/German/Spanish etc or as Firstly European. Nobody throughout the summer in the many resorts that I was in defined themselves as European, everyone that I spoke to said they thought of themselves firstly as German/ Spanish/French etc. In fact the French particularly used to get indignant and irritated that the question was even asked.
It's so depressing
This is an odd and unhelpful way to think about it though.
I am a 'Sussexer' (?)
I am English
I am British
I am European
I am a citizen of the world
None of these are mutually exclusive. If I drew a venn diagram, it would just be a series of circles within circles
I don't feel more strongly about one compared to another. There is no hierarchy. And I can't think why there has to be.
We can have different opinions about what sovereignty and governance - what power should lie at what level. But that is different from defining personal identity.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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Yes, I'm talking about personal identity, which is a binary choice for me and many others.
GT49er
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Because it is a matter of personal identity. I am British, and I am English; in no particular order - I'm equally happy and at ease with both. But European? - no, other than geographically; I feel no identity with Europe, and I don't love my continent over, say, North America or Asia. British - or English - though......yes, I am, through and through.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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My position exactly. I believe the statistics suggest that Labour will gain more pro-Europeans than it will lose traditional anti-immigrationalists.
highflyer
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Exactly. So It is NOT binary. If you can feel English and British, so you can also feel European. (you don't, I do, both valid)
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Perfect example of the EU in action.The ECB have decided the new 100 and 200 Euro notes should be smaller,so they fit better in wallets.Now over a million cash machines have to be altered to dispense the note.
Perfect example of the EU in action.The ECB have decided the new 100 and 200 Euro notes should be smaller,so they fit better in wallets.Now over a million cash machines have to be altered to dispense the note.
How is that different from all the British ATMs that had to be altered to take the new £1 coins? Blimey, there's a lot to hold the EU to account for but changes to currency isn't one of them
Perfect example of the EU in action.The ECB have decided the new 100 and 200 Euro notes should be smaller,so they fit better in wallets.Now over a million cash machines have to be altered to dispense the note.
Any news on more of your delicious American meat products? What’s the GAMMON like? Haha!
Garry Nelson's teacher
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Agreed. And let's also not let failing to read a reply get in the way of a bad posting!
nicko31
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A little extreme but I understand your fustration, but we are in a different place and are damaged goods, the Tories have done a spectacular job in creating an atmosphere is division.
If we leave the UK will still exist, but if we crash out there is a high probability it will no longer exist
Its all ifs right now, nothing is certain
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Oh dear,and I thought you were quite intelligent.The new pound was an anti-counterfeiting measure,not a vanity item.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
What a shame you are such an insular racist.American meat tastes much nicer,and is more healthy,being raised outside the polluted atmosphere of mainland Europe.You just carry on being a caricature of an EU white supremacist,gives us such a laugh.
Which particular meat are you talking about? Why is it healthier?
Personally, I prefer to be indentifiable and characterised by things other than my nationality. I hope I have progressed enough in life, and am interesting enough, so that I am defined by terms ahead of the default of my place of birth. But each to their own.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Like many people, and perhaps in particular like many supporters of habitually lower-league football clubs, I do have a sense of 'place'. I wouldn't say I am proud of my links with Brighton, or Sussex, or Lincolnshire, England or Britain because pride only comes from achievements, but I am pleased I have connections with those places. Most of the time I cheer them on in spirit.
The interesting one in that list is England. It is often singled out by flag-waving nationalists and populists and Brexit voters. Nothing wrong with that. England's green and pleasant land is where we come from. It is also a country that has no armed forces, no head of state, not even, really, a national anthem of its own. It has no parliament. And yet, many of us feel a strong affinity to it, in spite of the way it disgracefully lets itself down from time to time. A sense of place goes deeper than these totems, than politicians jeering at foreigners. It's a quiet thing for most of us. Remainers' fondness for their country is no less strong than anyone else's. It is just less shouty.
The interesting one in that list is England. It is often singled out by flag-waving nationalists and populists and Brexit voters. Nothing wrong with that. England's green and pleasant land is where we come from. It is also a country that has no armed forces, no head of state, not even, really, a national anthem of its own. It has no parliament. And yet, many of us feel a strong affinity to it, in spite of the way it disgracefully lets itself down from time to time. A sense of place goes deeper than these totems, than politicians jeering at foreigners. It's a quiet thing for most of us. Remainers' fondness for their country is no less strong than anyone else's. It is just less shouty.
Perfect example of the EU in action.The ECB have decided the new 100 and 200 Euro notes should be smaller,so they fit better in wallets.Now over a million cash machines have to be altered to dispense the note.
Seriously? You really are clutching at straws, now.
This change is nothing about 'vanity'. This too is an anti-counterfeiting measure - it is just that as they needed to renew the notes, they took the opportunity to alter the dimensions - to make their height standard with the lower denomination notes, and so EASIER for machines to process.
Even by your standards, an utterly pathetic effort.
http://www.stevenbron.nl/2018/09/19/ecb-presents-new-100-and-200-euro-banknotes/testomgeving
(apologies for posting a link - hopefully the internet goblins won't get me)
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Argentinian beef,Canadian pork,are raised in much less polluted surroundings,so must be healthier than European products.