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David Cameron has resigned again







Guy Fawkes

Guy Fawkes

The voice of treason
Sep 29, 2007
8,205
soistes said:
So... he said he wouldn't resign as PM if he lost the referendum, then he did. He said, on stepping down as PM, that he'd remain an MP until the next election, and now he isn't.

Not just a terrible PM, leading the UK into a wholly unneccessary referendum with all of the fallout from that, but supremely arrogant (so sure that he'd win the referendum, that he took no steps to prepare for Brexit, or to instruct his government to prepare for it), a moral coward (not staying to see the country through the difficulties he'd led them into), a serial liar (stepping down from two key positions that he'd said he wouldn't), and - time will tell - probably a money-grabber as well (if he turns out to sail into a bunch of lucrative directorships and other positions, that he'd never have got without having been PM).
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If the referendum was wholly unnecessary, why did we get a different outcome to the one you clearly wanted - surely it would only be unnecessary if the result was 100% in favour of keeping things the same. The fact that the remain side lost means that there were enough people out there who were willing to vote against remain for them to win and thanks to the referendum, their voice was heard (whether the remainers like it or not)

The remainers like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding EU membership and are still ignoring those who voted against (and a lot of the reasons they may have voted for this) and instead are acting like spoilt children who didn't get their way.
 


GT49er

GT49er

Well-known member
Feb 1, 2009
46,757
Gloucester
BensGrandad said:
Will probably follow other ex Prime Ministers into after dinner speaking for an extortinate amount of money.
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Yes, his iconic "How I laid the seeds for the demise of the EU" after-dinner blockbuster speech should go down a bomb all the way from Brussels to Berlin and back again, with knobs on!
 


pb21

pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,329
Buzzer said:
Cameron gained power through a free market, free enterprise party.
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Exactly he did, but that's not how he portrayed himself, with his 'compassionate', 'green' and 'hug a hoodie' platitudes.

He was just a PR PM.
 


AmexRuislip

AmexRuislip

Trainee Spy 🕵️‍♂️
Feb 2, 2014
33,823
Ruislip
[MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] could we please put David Cameron's name in the frame for 'PM'
(aka Mike Dean)
Would be good fun, every time someone on here says PM me!
 




Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
pb21 said:
Exactly he did, but that's not how he portrayed himself, with his 'compassionate', 'green' and 'hug a hoodie' platitudes.

He was just a PR PM.
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There's nothing wrong with portraying yourself as compassionate, I think both Blair and Cameron are both capable of genuine compassion and socially-minded aspirations but when a privileged and wealthy man without a political principle in his body looks for power then I think that Cameron was the more honest in doing it through a party like the Tories where pragmatism is regarded as highly as ideology rather than Blair who gained power by pretending to be something he was clearly not in a party with strong socialist principles.
 




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soistes

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Sep 12, 2012
2,643
Brighton
Guy Fawkes said:
If the referendum was wholly unnecessary, why did we get a different outcome to the one you clearly wanted - surely it would only be unnecessary if the result was 100% in favour of keeping things the same. The fact that the remain side lost means that there were enough people out there who were willing to vote against remain for them to win and thanks to the referendum, their voice was heard (whether the remainers like it or not)

The remainers like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding EU membership and are still ignoring those who voted against (and a lot of the reasons they may have voted for this) and instead are acting like spoilt children who didn't get their way.
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Whether I was in favour of remain or leave is not relevant to the point I was making. I entirely accept that, having had the referendum, and there being a majority to leave the EU, we have to live with that outcome, whether or not we voted for it ourselves. My point was about Cameron's judgement and gamesmanship.

I meant unnecessary in the sense that we have a parliamentary democracy not a plebiscitary democracy, and the appropriate way (in my view, and that of many constitutional experts who know a lot more about it than me) of putting a policy like this to the people (if Cameron believed in it, which he clearly didn't), would have been to include a concrete promise to withdraw from the EU within the broader context of a general election manifesto, alongside a range of other policies (including hopefully, a coherent set of economic, trade, taxation, migration and social policies which would be needed to manage all of the other implications of Brexit), and allow the electorate to vote on that in a general election. The only reason he did it was for internal Tory party reasons, to appease Tory members and MPs who might otherwise defect to UKIP - there was nothing pushing him to do it, and if he thought it would have ended up as a leave outcome, he probably wouldn't have done it - it was a daft gamble that he lost.
 
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nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,611
Gods country fortnightly
Divided the country because he couldn't deal with the divisions in his own party. A terrible legacy I'm afraid Dave
 


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Raleigh Chopper

New member
Sep 1, 2011
12,054
Plymouth
His resignation speech outside No 10 didn't take long, he only listed a couple of things he was proud of and they were the same couple of things that Corbyn praised him for in the commons.
A totally useless PM in a totally useless and divided government.
Only Cameron could sack Gove and then reinstate him.
 


Not Andy Naylor

Not Andy Naylor

Well-known member
Dec 12, 2007
8,798
Seven Dials
Cameron was responsible for Brexit, but Major oversaw Black Wednesday and the ludicrous railway privatisation that separated track and trains.

On the plus side he had us simultaneously amused and appalled by the Edwina Currie business. Cameron and the pig's head wasn't much of an effort by comparison.
 




Theatre of Trees

Theatre of Trees

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
7,718
TQ2905
Buzzer said:
Worse than Heath? Than Callaghan? Than Macdonald or Eden or Chamberlain? Nah. Cameron's not even close to being the worst. He's strictly mid-table mediocrity.
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Not sure, most of the others had a crisis forced on them and made the wrong decision(s) in dealing with it. Cameron had nothing like that and was the victim of his own inept manoeuvring. I'm just thankful he never had to deal with a proper crisis. It says something that May got shot of nearly all his cronies in her first few days in office.
 


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BLOCK F

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2009
6,359
Blimey, the usual over the top remarks from the usual gang, re a PM who was no where near the disaster they portray him to be.
For what it is worth, I think he was absolutely correct to resign as PM once the electorate voted for Brexit.
 






Cheshire Cat

Cheshire Cat

The most curious thing..
Nov 4, 2006
11,445
Sitting on a bough of a tree a few yards off...
ManOfSussex said:
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Cute pig. The one on the left however is a complete swine.
 


Guinness Boy

Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
34,207
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
soistes said:
Whether I was in favour of remain or leave is not relevant to the point I was making. I entirely accept that, having had the referendum, and there being a majority to leave the EU, we have to live with that outcome, whether or not we voted for it ourselves. My point was about Cameron's judgement and gamesmanship.

I meant unnecessary in the sense that we have a parliamentary democracy not a plebiscitary democracy, and the appropriate way (in my view, and that of many constitutional experts who know a lot more about it than me) of putting a policy like this to the people (if Cameron believed in it, which he clearly didn't), would have been to include a concrete promise to withdraw from the EU within the broader context of a general election manifesto, alongside a range of other policies (including hopefully, a coherent set of economic, trade, taxation, migration and social policies which would be needed to manage all of the other implications of Brexit), and allow the electorate to vote on that in a general election. The only reason he did it was for internal Tory party reasons, to appease Tory members and MPs who might otherwise defect to UKIP - there was nothing pushing him to do it, and if he thought it would have ended up as a leave outcome, he probably wouldn't have done it - it was a daft gamble that he lost.
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Great post, agree entirely.


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Uh_huh_him

Uh_huh_him

Well-known member
Sep 28, 2011
10,696
Theatre of Trees said:
Not sure, most of the others had a crisis forced on them and made the wrong decision(s) in dealing with it. Cameron had nothing like that and was the victim of his own inept manoeuvring. I'm just thankful he never had to deal with a proper crisis. It says something that May got shot of nearly all his cronies in her first few days in office.
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This.

Completely failed to deliver on his promises to get rid of the debt
All of the big decisions he had to deal with, he handed over to the electorate.
Useless.
 




Pavilionaire

Pavilionaire

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
30,590
deletebeepbeepbeep said:
Has to go down as one of the most disastrous pms ever, no meaningful legislation, more u-turns then a day out go karting and delivered us the shit-show of Brexit.

Thanks a bunch Cameron :wanker:
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Harsh. His tenure can be separated into two distinct eras:

1. Coalition - decent whilst at the helm, at his best in a 'chairman of the board' role.
2. Tory Government - lost the plot completely, calling the EU Referendum was arguably the worst political decision ever taken by a British PM.
 




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