Proper journalism - well done C4 News

Ernest · Mar 15, 2017

deletebeepbeepbeep said:
I see its all Corbyn's fault then.

Exactly, blue Labour still treacherous sewer rats

cheshunt seagull · Mar 15, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Don't be silly. Nobody would vote for an IRA supporting faffer, who appears on TV flanked by pony-tailed Momentumistas and Islamic fundamentalists (someone can post the images - I can't be arsed).

I am (was) a lifelong labour voter and it is jokers like you, supporting Corbyn for (I suspect) comedy purposes (you don't seem red in tooth aand claw) that add to the agony, helping to prolong the reluctant tory vote (as it will be) who will guarantee a Tory hegemony, by supporting the Islington Idiot. Or pretending to, for comedy purposes. Stop. Now. Her Majesty's loyal opposition needs to be effective. FFS, Corbyn backs Brexit (most labour supporters don't). Don't start me off. He is a disgrace who has destroyed any chance of small s socialism for a generation. The cock. And he's so stupid he refuses to accept that he's the problem. He seems to think the only reason he does not have a MASSIVE lead in the polls is because the voters are thick. Or perhaps he doesn't even care if he wins or not. He has no concept of leadership. And you really think he's going to win a general election (or are so idiotic you think the only reason he won't is because people think like me, so its my fault?). So how are you going to get him to win? Clever cloggs. Make Corbyn win and I'll take you seriously. Or howl at the moon. Or make silly jokes. You decide. Idiot.

Yes, that sums it up for me.

Weststander · Mar 15, 2017

Not Andy Naylor said:
Not fact. 'Decimated' means reduced by a tenth. It will be far, far worse than that.

Or better

depending how one views it.

nicko31 · Mar 15, 2017

Yeah you want read about this story in the Daily Mail. Great work by C4, best news programme on British TV

nicko31 · Mar 15, 2017

studio150 said:
Although to date no charges have been levied.

The interesting aspect was at the end of the article which floated the idea of Mrs May calling a snap election to avoid by elections if charges brought.

That would probably push Labour into opposition up to at least 2022.

Is it that easy for the Tories to break the fixed terminal parliament act just to suit themselves?

Weststander · Mar 15, 2017

nicko31 said:
Yeah you want read about this story in the Daily Mail. Great work by C4, best news programme on British TV

Wrong - a look online shows they are covering it. The dangers of stereotyping.

nicko31 · Mar 15, 2017

Weststander said:
Wrong - a look online shows they are covering it. The dangers of stereotyping.

Just been on their website what a complete dogs dinner, couldn't find it. Anyway there is no way they would be capable of this level of investigative journalism.

Ernest · Mar 15, 2017

nicko31 said:
Is it that easy for the Tories to break the fixed terminal parliament act just to suit themselves?

I wonder if it has implications with Brexit as it can be said any legislation passed by this government not to be legal and somebody could zoom off to the courts to get it declared null and void. Or with the by elections which the Tories would lose then it would be a hung parliament until 2020 with no Brexit legislation getting passed nor anything else for that matter

Norman Potting · Mar 15, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Don't be silly. Nobody would vote for an IRA supporting faffer, who appears on TV flanked by pony-tailed Momentumistas and Islamic fundamentalists (someone can post the images - I can't be arsed).

I am (was) a lifelong labour voter and it is jokers like you, supporting Corbyn for (I suspect) comedy purposes (you don't seem red in tooth aand claw) that add to the agony, helping to prolong the reluctant tory vote (as it will be) who will guarantee a Tory hegemony, by supporting the Islington Idiot. Or pretending to, for comedy purposes. Stop. Now. Her Majesty's loyal opposition needs to be effective. FFS, Corbyn backs Brexit (most labour supporters don't). Don't start me off. He is a disgrace who has destroyed any chance of small s socialism for a generation. The cock. And he's so stupid he refuses to accept that he's the problem. He seems to think the only reason he does not have a MASSIVE lead in the polls is because the voters are thick. Or perhaps he doesn't even care if he wins or not. He has no concept of leadership. And you really think he's going to win a general election (or are so idiotic you think the only reason he won't is because people think like me, so its my fault?). So how are you going to get him to win? Clever cloggs. Make Corbyn win and I'll take you seriously. Or howl at the moon. Or make silly jokes. You decide. Idiot.

Quite. I think it is the "Daily Mash" who ran one of their chucklesome story that May is just a crap Thatcher, but fortunately for her has a crap Foot as leader of the opposition. We need a good Schism in British politics, can't see it happening though, can you?

Cian · Mar 15, 2017

nicko31 said:
Is it that easy for the Tories to break the fixed terminal parliament act just to suit themselves?

With Corbyn/supporters convinced they could win more seats and the Lib Dems probably correct in thinking they'll win more, it wouldn't be hard to get the supermajority required to call an early election.

Machiavelli · Mar 15, 2017

Westdene Seagull said:
*** Cough *** https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ared-election-spending-including-for-ed-stone

Both as bad as each other !

You've got what you want, but remind me of how things are going for UKIP at the mo.
PS the answer is the same as it's ever been, except somebody is behind the scenes waiting to see if he should stick or twist

Machiavelli · Mar 15, 2017

deletebeepbeepbeep said:
I see its all Corbyn's fault then.

It really isn't. The problem is that he's utterly inept and unable to exploit the incredibly huge shower of shite that's raining down on us.

nicko31 · Mar 15, 2017

Cian said:
With Corbyn/supporters convinced they could win more seats and the Lib Dems probably correct in thinking they'll win more, it wouldn't be hard to get the supermajority required to call an early election.

Libs would make gains in anti-Brexit towns, labour would lose tonnes of seats to the Tories

melias shoes · Mar 15, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Corbyn is to blame for this not adding to what ought to be a massive poll lead for Labour. Labour are miles behind in the polls and will be decimated if Corbyn is still leader when he election arrives. Fact.

We live in hope.

Machiavelli · Mar 15, 2017

In answer to the thread title, can I recommend the recent output from Carole Cadwalladr on the way in which cyberspace and/or new social media is being exploited by certain forces.

Weststander · Mar 15, 2017

nicko31 said:
Libs would make gains in anti-Brexit towns, labour would lose tonnes of seats to the Tories

With another wipe out in Scotland.

beorhthelm · Mar 15, 2017

seems an odd situation for a constituency MP to be responsible for expenses they may not have had any control over, coming from central party planning. for one thing, its ripe for manipulation as long as your "seen" to not be spending in the constituency, example of Ramsgate, if they'd stayed 50 miles away rather than 5, no one would link them.

looney · Mar 15, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Don't be silly. Nobody would vote for an IRA supporting faffer, who appears on TV flanked by pony-tailed Momentumistas and Islamic fundamentalists (someone can post the images - I can't be arsed).

I am (was) a lifelong labour voter and it is jokers like you, supporting Corbyn for (I suspect) comedy purposes (you don't seem red in tooth aand claw) that add to the agony, helping to prolong the reluctant tory vote (as it will be) who will guarantee a Tory hegemony, by supporting the Islington Idiot. Or pretending to, for comedy purposes. Stop. Now. Her Majesty's loyal opposition needs to be effective. FFS, Corbyn backs Brexit (most labour supporters don't). Don't start me off. He is a disgrace who has destroyed any chance of small s socialism for a generation. The cock. And he's so stupid he refuses to accept that he's the problem. He seems to think the only reason he does not have a MASSIVE lead in the polls is because the voters are thick. Or perhaps he doesn't even care if he wins or not. He has no concept of leadership. And you really think he's going to win a general election (or are so idiotic you think the only reason he won't is because people think like me, so its my fault?). So how are you going to get him to win? Clever cloggs. Make Corbyn win and I'll take you seriously. Or howl at the moon. Or make silly jokes. You decide. Idiot.

While I agree with what you say you over look a couple of points. Firstly in this day of social media labours brand is toxic, white priv, 47 Genders etc. Any leader would need to shut that down.

Secondly he is following the path of labour in the 80s expecting the tories to screw up at some point, although May is clueless and looks like someone winging it she could easily wallop anything labour put up at the moment.

rogersix · Mar 15, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Corbyn is to blame for this not adding to what ought to be a massive poll lead for Labour. Labour are miles behind in the polls and will be decimated if Corbyn is still leader when he election arrives. Fact.

yeah, but how do you know all this stuff?

GT49er · Mar 15, 2017

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Don't be silly. Nobody would vote for an IRA supporting faffer, who appears on TV flanked by pony-tailed Momentumistas and Islamic fundamentalists (someone can post the images - I can't be arsed).

I am (was) a lifelong labour voter and it is jokers like you, supporting Corbyn for (I suspect) comedy purposes (you don't seem red in tooth aand claw) that add to the agony, helping to prolong the reluctant tory vote (as it will be) who will guarantee a Tory hegemony, by supporting the Islington Idiot. Or pretending to, for comedy purposes. Stop. Now. Her Majesty's loyal opposition needs to be effective. FFS, Corbyn backs Brexit (most labour supporters don't). Don't start me off. He is a disgrace who has destroyed any chance of small s socialism for a generation. The cock. And he's so stupid he refuses to accept that he's the problem. He seems to think the only reason he does not have a MASSIVE lead in the polls is because the voters are thick. Or perhaps he doesn't even care if he wins or not. He has no concept of leadership. And you really think he's going to win a general election (or are so idiotic you think the only reason he won't is because people think like me, so its my fault?). So how are you going to get him to win? Clever cloggs. Make Corbyn win and I'll take you seriously. Or howl at the moon. Or make silly jokes. You decide. Idiot.

Corbyn supporting (even reluctantly) Brexit is the most sensible and politically astute thing he's done. Thousands of solid labour voters voted, 'sod the Kensington and Chelsea, Westminster bubble socialists, we want out'
All those plastic Labour Party members must be right well p1ssed off. I really hope they're doing the decent thing, and resigning, 'cos they only ever joined as a joke in the first place.

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