General Election 2017

looney · Jun 10, 2017

London Irish said:
Yeh but no but yeh but no but

Tell me - what's it like to have your entire belief system crash in rubble

Thats a question I would be dying to ask you.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

London Irish said:
Yeh but no but yeh but no but

Tell me - what's it like to have your entire belief system crash in rubble

I wouldn't know .. the Tories are still in power and Brexit is going to happen you do know you still lost right?

Icy Gull · Jun 10, 2017

London Irish said:
As that other great socialist Chris Hughton reckoned, after rocketing up from 19th to 3rd, you absolutely fecking nail it next time out

What if theTories turn out to be Newcastle?

London Irish · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
She will be gone soon. Well done, I didn't think you had a chance but events have conspired to give your lot a realistic chance of taking over. The Tories forgot promising free stuff always plays well.

Cheer up, you're hanging on with the Loyalist red hand gang giving you some explosive support :thumbsup:

East Preston Gull · Jun 10, 2017

Don't ask Irish a question that involves him having to answer in more than 4 lines. He won't compute and may combust.

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JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

London Irish said:
Cheer up, you're hanging on with the Loyalist red hand gang giving you some explosive support

As you would know sidling up to terrorists isn't necessarily a bad thing (electorally speaking) :thumbsup:

lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
It turned out that was the case. Yes he did. Yes I do (define best). Yes if they are honest answers. Yes I think they should. Debatable they are overrated media s#itstorms but on balance probably yes. I think they need more than that.

Your go. If a far right fringe MP suddenly became Tory Leader of the opposition by accident would you trust him/her? If a Tory potential PM had a vote of no confidence passed in his own party by a huge margin would you think a principled politician would resign? If a Tory potential PM supporting the terrorists aim had been hanging out with and commemerated people blowing up your fellow citizens and military personnel for most of his early political career would you trust him? If he appointed a number two who openely supported a terrorist organisation doing the same would you trust him?

Answer 1 I don't trust Tory politicians,in either wing of the party.
Answer 2 I don't understand this one, if the whole party voted,yes, but the Parliamentary Conservative party solely choose their leader, so it's unlikely
Answer 3 It would depend on what the full story was, I certainly wouldn't condemn them on the strength of vindictive newspaper reports, and political enemies accusations. If, by talking to said terrorist organisation, he could achieve an opening for dialogue to end the killing, very possibly.
Answer 4, See answer 3

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

Iggle Piggle said:
I'm not saying Corbyn doesn't deserve some credit for increasing the vote - 8 weeks ago I'd have pissed myself silly writing that. Isnt, however, the reason why the Labour party vote (and Tory) increased because the UKIP vote had to go somewhere? Brexit indirectly increased the Labour vote.

Labour improved its position in seats, and share of the vote both in total and relative the the Tories.

Honestly though, the important thing is they got a result that ensured a word that TM throws around a lot but demonstrate nothing of for themselves. Stability. Arguably they've not had it since very early Brown and certainly not for two years.

London Irish · Jun 10, 2017

Icy Gull said:
What if theTories turn out to be Newcastle?

Interesting - they'll chuck money at it for sure but I don't see a Rafa bringing it home. Shelvey is a massive Tory slug I'll give you that

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

East Preston Gull said:
Good old democratic Clegg

Told Cameron referendum was a bad idea. Urged him not to give the people a say. When the people did reject the EU, could not wait to de-rail it. Invented hard and soft Brexit as a thing, when he knows there is no such thing.

The voters never forgot his treachery and gave him the shoeing he deserved.

So glad this clown has gone from British politics, he can now go and rip off European tax payers money with his missus.

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Lord Clegg before you know it.

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London Irish · Jun 10, 2017

East Preston Gull said:
Don't ask Irish a question that involves him having to answer in more than 4 lines. He won't compute and may combust.

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All true

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

East Preston Gull said:
As a tory even I shudder at that.

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I'd shudder more at the idea of Theresa May limping along with an ineffective Government til 2019. That's the bind the Tories are in right now. They have just the right length of rope to hang themselves properly but not enough to do much else with.

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

BensGrandad said:
What is the liklehood of another election in about 6- 9 months with Boris leading the Tories?

It was my first thought when I saw the exit poll. It's not unlikely. TM might go, Boris might stand and if he did he would have a decent chance of winning especially against Ruth Davidson (should she get a Westminster gig) as the Brexit extremist.

If he moderates his position on the single market as I have a hunch he will then I'm not sure its possible.

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lawros left foot · Jun 10, 2017

looney said:
Be quiet halfwit, its only you that appears to have a problem with them. If people were queing up to spout your garbage you may have a point, you are though out on a limb just making excusses. So learn to read and try to endulge in debate, and I bet youve been told that plenty of times.

If you are going to slur other posters with the 'half wit' etc insults, I heartily suggest you don't make basic mistakes in your spelling, it completely undermines your opinion. ie queuing, excuses,indulge.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

lawros left foot said:
Answer 1 I don't trust Tory politicians,in either wing of the party.
Answer 2 I don't understand this one, if the whole party voted,yes, but the Parliamentary Conservative party solely choose their leader, so it's unlikely
Answer 3 It would depend on what the full story was, I certainly wouldn't condemn them on the strength of vindictive newspaper reports, and political enemies accusations. If, by talking to said terrorist organisation, he could achieve an opening for dialogue to end the killing, very possibly.
Answer 4, See answer 3

1.) Fair enough

2.) The vast majority of the Labour parliamentary party passed a vote of no confidence in JC .

3.) What about condemning them on the strength of a person central to building the peace process (unlike Corbyn) even an IRA commander said he was a useful idiot , what further evidence do you need?

4.) As a person who always votes Labour who would you not vote for if they had a red rosette on?

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

BensGrandad said:
Or Tony Bliar making a comeback to lead Labour.

He's more likely to lead the Conservatives right now.

Iggle Piggle · Jun 10, 2017

spring hall convert said:
Labour improved its position in seats, and share of the vote both in total and relative the the Tories.

Honestly though, the important thing is they got a result that ensured a word that TM throws around a lot but demonstrate nothing of for themselves. Stability. Arguably they've not had it since very early Brown and certainly not for two years.

From my perspective, I likened this election in another thread to Palace v Pompey. I'd like to think this is a pretty good result but then :

Jezza is still there with his nuclear subs without nukes.
Maybot is in full north Korea mode.
DUP are kingmakers
Brexit starts Monday week

What a cluster.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 10, 2017

spring hall convert said:
He's obviously read Marx and he's an influence for sure. Marx is an influence on more than you imagine I guess. I find it hard to understand how someone can throw Marxist round in a pejorative sense and not have read 'The Communist Manifesto.' It's not even a long book. I've read 'The Prince' and I'm supposedly some Corbyn fanatic.

(Actually I suspect John McDonnell might be a bit of a fan of The Prince but I'll keep that one to myself.)

I haven't read Mein Kampf but I'm guessing its probably a poor guide to running the country.

spring hall convert · Jun 10, 2017

Iggle Piggle said:
From my perspective, I likened this election in another thread to Palace v Pompey. I'd like to think this is a pretty good result but then :

Jezza is still there with his nuclear subs without nukes.
Maybot is in full north Korea mode.
DUP are kingmakers
Brexit starts Monday week

What a cluster.

7 years of Tory Government has got us here.

And unless they have a sudden outbreak of competence its going to get worse before it gets better.

Diablo · Jun 10, 2017

spring hall convert said:
7 years of Tory Government has got us here.

And unless they have a sudden outbreak of competence its going to get worse before it gets better.

What is going to get worse

and then get better

?

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