Pretty pink fairy
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IT'S LIKE A GAME OF MUSICAL CHAIRS , there's only one winner and that's BREXIT
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[Politics] Brexit
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Pretty pink fairy
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BUTTERBALL
East Stand Brighton Boyz
The only remaining of interest to me is that of Albion remaining in the Premier League
Fck sports and politics, they don't mix.
Fck sports and politics, they don't mix.
sir albion
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Of course you'll get story's of remainers saying they know people who regret their vote....well that old chestnut never ends and to be fair it's irrelevant.Its no surprise many feel they've made a mistake when you have idiots taking their time with negotiations and going against the will of the people week after week.
You have remainers desperately trying to jeopardise the process by delaying the process and you have weak politicians crumbling like little girls trying to please the Brussels idiots.
Everybody needs to get some backbone and move in the direction of brexit because all this shite is just feeding the EU more ammunition....This massively includes the many thousands of politicians who're trying to further their own careers by going against brexit !!!
I would sack any politician who stands against brexit as we've had the vote and it's old news....it's the brexit way or the highway end of story.
You have remainers desperately trying to jeopardise the process by delaying the process and you have weak politicians crumbling like little girls trying to please the Brussels idiots.
Everybody needs to get some backbone and move in the direction of brexit because all this shite is just feeding the EU more ammunition....This massively includes the many thousands of politicians who're trying to further their own careers by going against brexit !!!
I would sack any politician who stands against brexit as we've had the vote and it's old news....it's the brexit way or the highway end of story.
oneillco
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- Feb 13, 2013
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Errr...you're wrong actually. Daily Mail front page banner headline June 22nd 2016 (the date before the referendum) "IF YOU BELIEVE IN BRITAIN VOTE LEAVE".
As for the Guardian, it isn't mass circulation and it isn't read by the less-educated nor aimed at the old.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
The Mail on Sunday (Geordie Greig) backed remain, The Daily Mail (Paul Dacre) backed leave.
Buzzer
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- Oct 1, 2006
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Okay thanks for the correction but it does then raise big questions around your claim that the newspapers are heavily responsible for how people vote. Presumably most people who get the DM also read the Mail on Sunday and their readership figures are pretty comparable (1.3m v 1.5m), so are you suggesting that they would be leavers Mon-Sat and Remain on Sundays? And looking at those readership numbers and add the Express and Sun and you still won't get anywhere near the 17m+ Brexit voters. Maybe, just maybe your blaming it on the newspapers you don't like isn't the answer to why people voted as they did.
The Guardian not aimed at mass circulation though? Really? Oh, and the Mail is aimed at women and not necessarily old ones at that. I've still not got an answer as to why voter intelligence has never been an issue for you in previous general elections either.
pastafarian
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Have no real problem with the actual commissioning of said polls, if you are in politics I would assume its useful to have as much information as possible of who voted what way for future reference to see which type of audience you are connecting with or not. Saying that though this is where the relationship with the data should end, you are quite right in saying that it is being used as a weapon to beat leavers(they cant help themselves). This is an abuse of the information though as a vote is equal no matter what your educational upbringing, colour, religious background, shoe size or age. So what? Some might say. Well this abuse leads to extreme undemocratic calls from people like Nick Clegg who say the vote of a young person should in future count double, or the poster on the Brexit thread (who wasn’t joking) saying you should only be allowed to vote if you had a certain level of intelligence.
If anyone cant see a problem with those train of thoughts I imagine they are the ones using the data the most as a stick to beat.
- Jan 3, 2012
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When I made that comment, I was not referring at all to the conversation that had gone before. I should have been more precise. I was referring to the manipulating, back-stabbing, self-preservation, self-promotion, deception-ridden farce going on at the moment which purports to be the Conservative Party.
Pretty pink fairy
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Pretty pink fairy
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mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Bloody freedom of speech
pastafarian
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You are correct for once, If the Tories fought to ignore the democratic vote and instead fought to remain in the EU against the will of the majority that voted to leave their electoral fortunes would indeed change immediately. They would be a completely unelectable toxic brand, they could kiss goodbye to ever holding office again. Nearly 60% of conservative voters voted to leave, they would abandon the Tories overnight as would those floating voters from all the other parties that voted leave as well, any chance of regaining their vote would be lost.
Fortunately both main serious parties realise this and are NOT fighting to remain in The European Union, which leaves you with Vince Cable and the liberal party as the go to place if you want the vote overturned and ignored before it is implemented……..good luck with that.
What will happen to all the liberal,left wing and socialist xenophobes that voted to Leave as well, will they be purged from their parties?
There was me thinking she just had a cough, funny how people grab at any straw and read something that isn’t there to back up their desperation.
Crikey, can you say that with a straight face given what Labour has been doing over the last 2 years?
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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From the BBC website
"German companies with a presence in the UK should be planning for a "very hard Brexit", Germany's biggest industry body has warned.
German industry looked "with concern" at the progress of the Brexit talks, said the boss of the Federation of German Industries (BDI), Joachim Lang.
Britain "is lacking a clear concept despite talking a lot," he added."
I suspect he has been looking at this thread re last statement
"German companies with a presence in the UK should be planning for a "very hard Brexit", Germany's biggest industry body has warned.
German industry looked "with concern" at the progress of the Brexit talks, said the boss of the Federation of German Industries (BDI), Joachim Lang.
Britain "is lacking a clear concept despite talking a lot," he added."
I suspect he has been looking at this thread re last statement
I doubt that but I would say that this 'clear concept' is more to do with the lack of any clarity from the EU regarding how they have come up with the calculations for the exit bill. It seems to me that it is a wish list of how much money they need and, with nobody else prepared to fork out, they're looking at us to pay it. Good luck with that.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
No mention of any EU exit bill in regards to the 'lacking clear concept' in the Reuters article on this either - http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...iff-brexit-german-industry-says-idUKKBN1CA0KV
Personally I'm surprised, because I can clearly recall Owen Patterson saying on Sky News there would be a deal because German industry would demand one.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Interesting point, one that many on here share. But for sure, 100% we are paying an exit bill, and for sure it will be large. And it's becoming more and more clear that we are not in the driving seat in this negotiations despite the bluster in the early days and if we are honest the tories, the Labour Party and the country are all divided on what the next step is best let along the end state. Shocking that the tories have done this to the country, and they are suffering as a consequence
Gabbafella
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- Aug 22, 2012
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I've had a vasectomy, I couldn't care less about kids either.
Replying to my post: As far as I can see the problem with moving forward with Brexit is that we can't see what it is that the EU is asking for. Their demands are completely random, with no itemisation and no suggestions on what we would receive as a result of settlement. And yet they expect us to agree to it. Would you, for example, pay someone £100 for 'what's in my pocket'?