[Politics] Brexit

JC Footy Genius said:

Helpful hint, try not taking every Guardian story as gospel/likely to be true.. will help your peace of mind and give you a broader more realistic outlook on the world.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

I shall forthwith take out a subscription to the Daily Mail to give me the balance that I so clearly lack.

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JC Footy Genius said:

Although the Daily Mail similarly feeds it's readership exactly what they want to read in most cases may I humbly suggest not parroting/swallowing any papers pov is a sensible position to take.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

I'm obviously cursed with the inability to have an original thought. Do you fancy a highly paid position as a script-writer?

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JC Footy Genius said:

I wouldn't go that far but mainly/only sourcing material from one clearly partisan news source suggests claims to be seeking a centre ground/ consensus pov may be flawed.

I am always open to new offers, especially the ones containing the phrase 'highly paid'.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

Well the 'centre ground' claim is laced with a liberal (sic) dash of irony as of course Brexit is an issue which polarises (as we all know better then most). My main ambition is to edge the debate towards reasoned argument but we all fall victim to the temptation to wind-up and 'respond in kind' on occasion, including me.

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JC Footy Genius said:

As you have previously highlighted the positions of most people wasting time on this thread are irreconcilable. For reasoned argument to have a chance I would expect people to consider the possibility they may be wrong and at the very least wait for the democratic will of the majority to be enacted before righting it off as a disaster.

Wind-ups, shocking admission. I hope I never succumb ...

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Hampster Gull said:

I have considered and am confident you and the extreme Brexit proposals from you and a few others such as the man of the people JR-M are wrongheaded and that you all need to take a long holiday somewhere hot and party very hard

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JC Footy Genius said:

As you have previously highlighted the positions of most people wasting time on this thread are irreconcilable. For reasoned argument to have a chance I would expect people to consider the possibility they may be wrong and at the very least wait for the democratic will of the majority to be enacted before righting it off as a disaster.

Wind-ups, shocking admission. I hope I never succumb ...

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JC Footy Genius said:

As you have previously highlighted the positions of most people wasting time on this thread are irreconcilable. For reasoned argument to have a chance I would expect people to consider the possibility they may be wrong and at the very least wait for the democratic will of the majority to be enacted before righting it off as a disaster.

Wind-ups, shocking admission. I hope I never succumb ...

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Lincoln Imp said:

You are right. As long as you believe that a freely taken democratic decision cannot overtake any previous such decision, even when those taking it feel they have reasons to change their view, then I am afraid we are irreconcilable.

Never mind. We shall just have to rub along together, you on one side of the debate and all us loons on the other.

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JC Footy Genius said:

As you have come to such a considered judgement could you identify (direct quotes would be helpful) what my 'extreme Brexit proposals' are?

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Hampster Gull said:

the implication is youre not extreme in your views on this

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Hampster Gull said:

I have considered and am confident you and the extreme Brexit proposals from you and a few others such as the man of the people JR-M are wrongheaded and that you all need to take a long holiday somewhere hot and party very hard

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JC Footy Genius said:

Yes I believed the outcome of the referendum should be enacted no matter the result, as promised by the UK government. A democratic decision further endorsed by parliament and a General Election. All following a fine long-standing democratic principle of enacting the will of the people. Once enacted people have the democratic choice to vote to reverse the decision at some point in the future if they so wish.

I realise others do think to ignore the democratic voice of the electorate when you don't like the result and keep asking the question in the hope you eventually get the answer you want (including using a process you have no faith in) obviously immediately superseding all previous votes is reasonable.

I'll think you'll find it's all of us who respect democratic outcomes on my side of the debate with just a few loons on the other.

http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmg-po...trol-still-resonates-majority-british-voters/

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Lincoln Imp said:

I'm sorry but your middle para is just a rehash of ancient and largely inaccurate leaver-myths, garnished on this occasion with another example of misusing the verb 'ignore'.

Before the referendum I said in conversation with you that I thought Leave would win. If there was a second (and obviously conclusive) referendum on the terms and implications when known, I think that, as things stand right now, Leave would probably win again.

So there was really no point in your posting your link, just as there is really no point in your astonishingly lofty pronouncements that yours is the only true way.

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GT49er said:

So let me get this straight - your contribution to 'reasoned debate' is that you're right and anyone who disagrees with your opinion is wrong-headed and needs to take a long holiday?

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JC Footy Genius said:

No need to be sorry I think I accurately characterise the second referendum case, just wish people would be more honest about it.

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