I make of it that 'The Primary Cause of the System Breakdown in 2016' was the RMT and ASLEF.
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I make of it that 'The Primary Cause of the System Breakdown in 2016' was the RMT and ASLEF.
Yoda
English & European
I personally wouldn't trust any report that only asks/talks to one side of the argument.
Yoda
English & European
Even though the system was breaking down WAY before any action from the unions? I remember having constant issues getting to Hove from Worthing for Jury Service early last Spring before any action from the unions started. Always ended up leaving to catch a train before the one that I would normally need to get there on time.
Deadly Danson
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Well the primary cause was the decision by the Dft and GTR to save a few pennies by moving to a less safe, less accessible method of working with the ultimate aim of removing as many members of staff as possible. The unions obviously fought against that - it wasn't as though the unions suddenly decided they fancied a fight which would cost themselves and their members huge amounts of money and ruin life for the travelling public. As we have seen recently, if you try to do things on the cheap - the consequences may go further than you think.
You might think that, but the Gibb report doesn't say that though, does it?
Deadly Danson
Well-known member
Nope, but it's an indisputable fact even if you think DOO is the most wonderful, forward thinking, modern system in the world.
It is about as indisputable and factual as Labour won the General Election and Jeremy Corbyn is the real Prime Minister.
Deadly Danson
Well-known member
Eh? So, if GTR and the Dft hadn't embarked on the extension of DOO do you still think the unions would have fought against something that wasn't happening?
The Large One
Who's Next?
It wouldn't, because he didn't speak to the unions, nor other interested parties - aside from the DfT, and rail operators.
The Large One
Who's Next?
Sorry, what?
There was no industrial action, nor any intention of any, before the government chose to pick its fight. Unless of course, you wish to re-write history to suit your own agenda.
Please excuse my confusion, but I thought the Gibb Report was what the ABC et al was trying to get in the public eye. Now it is, it's being rejected (or at least the conclusions) as a biased load of old bollocks.
Is that correct?
Is that correct?
This is spite now. DOO has been operating safely for months now, the battle is over. Bloody nerve to start this ransom holding again. More months of misery no doubt. Utter wankers. Looking at the "information" on line it promises utter chaos and more expensive and longer journeys for the forseeable. I hope they are down the foodbank by July. Rail staff should be ashamed of themselves, I hope it costs them dearly.
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yeah, but no but, it's flawed, and biased, and probably a Tory conspiracy... or something like that.
Theresa May just quoted the primary conclusion of the Gibb Report during PMQs... so it must be right 
jakarta
Well-known member
I was talking to a mate of mine the other night (ex RAF Nimrod pilot, currently flies the new Boeing 737).
He told me it is now absolutely possible to fly a plane to and from wherever on auto pilot with much less chance of any safety issues arising and this includes take off & landing.
Given the lower level of technology needed to address railways this I wonder what the RMT et al. will do when completely automated trains (i.e driverless) are introduced in the future?
He told me it is now absolutely possible to fly a plane to and from wherever on auto pilot with much less chance of any safety issues arising and this includes take off & landing.
Given the lower level of technology needed to address railways this I wonder what the RMT et al. will do when completely automated trains (i.e driverless) are introduced in the future?
I was talking to a mate of mine the other night (ex RAF Nimrod pilot, currently flies the new Boeing 737).
He told me it is now absolutely possible to fly a plane to and from wherever on auto pilot with much less chance of any safety issues arising and this includes take off & landing.
Given the lower level of technology needed to address railways this I wonder what the RMT et al. will do when completely automated trains (i.e driverless) are introduced in the future?
Hopefully they will realise they were greedy sods and the 60k+ offer on a 35 hr working week was the best they were going to get, far more than they were worth and that is was the last offer they got before being sent packing.
Given the lower level of technology needed to address railways this I wonder what the RMT et al. will do when completely automated trains (i.e driverless) are introduced in the future?
Will they have automatic wheelchair loading devices?
why not? they have them in other countries.
I was talking to a mate of mine the other night (ex RAF Nimrod pilot, currently flies the new Boeing 737).
He told me it is now absolutely possible to fly a plane to and from wherever on auto pilot with much less chance of any safety issues arising and this includes take off & landing.
Given the lower level of technology needed to address railways this I wonder what the RMT et al. will do when completely automated trains (i.e driverless) are introduced in the future?
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Prior to the £75000 deal.
jakarta
Well-known member
His thoughts were that currently people won't accept unmanned aircraft and that the pilot would be there for the 1 in million (e.g. Sully Bird Strike & ditching on the Hudson River) incident an autopilot couldn't cope with. Mind you it was his Job we were talking about and he doesn't want to retire anytime soon!
I'm not sure that this scenario would apply for Southern Rail Billingshurst to London Bridge.