Taxi for Miliband ?

Wozza · Sep 23, 2014

"The auditorium is vast but holds few surprises. A historically red backdrop has these days morphed into a sick pink, although on the live feeds it’s moved even further along the spectrum, to fuchsia. Ha ha, I say to the nearest snotty delegate – Britain’s Fuchsia. He stares back as if I just asked him to kiss me."

Amazing.

Norman Potting · Sep 23, 2014

Rich Suvner said:
Just another career politician who has done diddly squat in the real world and frankly shouldn't be trusted with something as important as the nation's finances. That applies to all these spads across the parties.

..and the last PM (I think) to have done a proper job was....John Major. Can't figure out whether that is necessarily a good thing.

.And we all know the previous one who had a proper job!!!!

Ernest · Sep 23, 2014

Hatterlovesbrighton said:
He apparently forgot to mention both the deficit and immigration. Crazy really.

Can't think of a worse party leader in the last 30 years.

How about Dave Cameron ? Couldn't win an election against the most unpopular PM in history and will LOSE the next one in May

jcdenton08 · Sep 23, 2014

They all piss in the same pot.

When will people realise?!

There's a reason the top, fantastic constituency MP's don't generally get pushed as leaders; they put their actual job, the reason they became an MP I.e to represent and serve their constituents ahead of their personal gain

Party politics is broken and ancient. Any who actually sits and argues the difference between "Labour" and "Conservatives" are really comparing Pepsi and Coca-Cola. Basically, it doesn't matter which you buy, because half will always buy the other and the faceless millionaire at the top doesn't give a shit because they know they're set for life anyway.

Skylar · Sep 23, 2014

Ernest said:
How about Dave Cameron ? Couldn't win an election against the most unpopular PM in history and will LOSE the next one in May

Hate to say it but you'll be right. Having 'WALLACE' popping up on our screens from around the world with bacon sarnie makes me want to cringe. Wallace and his sidekick Gromit will make us the laughing stock and send us bankrupt.

DavidinSouthampton · Sep 23, 2014

Wozza said:
This is FAB.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/23/ian-martin-labour-conference-thick-of-it

"It’s worth bitterly remembering that in his mullet-punching, croquet-playing, chipolata-presenting pomp, when he was being yanked onstage as Blair’s working-class credibility gimp, Prescott was the one who championed PFI and put public sector procurement on tick for the next half-century, at payback rates that would shame Wonga"

"All this rousing stuff is applauded, but then so is the silky batter of Ed Balls’ austerity pancake mix."

But that's from the Guardian! No self-respecting right of centre poster on here would ever acknowledge that the Guardian would ever print anything critical of the Labour Party!

Wozza · Sep 23, 2014

DavidinSouthampton said:
But that's from the Guardian! No self-respecting right of centre poster on here would ever acknowledge that the Guardian would ever print anything critical of the Labour Party!

Well it IS a column. And it's criticising Labour for not being left enough...

Hatterlovesbrighton · Sep 23, 2014

jcdenton08 said:
They all piss in the same pot.

When will people realise?!

There's a reason the top, fantastic constituency MP's don't generally get pushed as leaders; they put their actual job, the reason they became an MP I.e to represent and serve their constituents ahead of their personal gain

Party politics is broken and ancient. Any who actually sits and argues the difference between "Labour" and "Conservatives" are really comparing Pepsi and Coca-Cola. Basically, it doesn't matter which you buy, because half will always buy the other and the faceless millionaire at the top doesn't give a shit because they know they're set for life anyway.

No it's not. There are plenty of cabinet ministers that are excellent constituency mps and plenty of non ministers who are shit constituency mps, with many of then having extra jobs on the side.

Weststander · Sep 23, 2014

Ernest said:
How about Dave Cameron ? Couldn't win an election against the most unpopular PM in history and will LOSE the next one in May

Yes, but will Ed Moribund and Labour get an overall majority? Surely it's a must after all the miserable complaining about bedroom tax, austerity, NHS under funded for the first time ever we are told, the recovery won't come, blah, blah.

Ernest · Sep 23, 2014

Weststander said:
Yes, but will Ed Moribund and Labour get an overall majority? Surely it's a must after all the miserable complaining about bedroom tax, austerity, NHS under funded for the first time ever we are told, the recovery won't come, blah, blah.

Will Cameron get one after 5 years of Bullingdon bullying and incompetence after incompetence, Universal Credit and Immigration shambles for starters

Gwylan · Sep 23, 2014

beorhthelm said:
the bizarre thing is the polls still show a Labour minority win next spring, its will be odd to have such an unpopular/untrusted leader in power through accident of a internal party fit up several years ago.

Well, Thatcher was way, way behind Callaghan in personal popularity prior to the 1979 election - didn't seem to do her much harm

Weststander said:
Milliband, bless, just isn't good at the people, speech, TV thing. Most people would be the same, but they're not aiming to win a country's hearts and heads in an election. Until belatedly now, too late, he's spent 4 years being the merchant of doom with no policy ideas.

I know people who've met Miliband and they say that in personal conversation he's bright, warm, charming and funny. He's probably not the worst party leader of my lifetime (I can still remember IDS's tenure) but he vies with IDS as being the worst speaker - and by some distance the worst speaker among Labour leaders

Weststander said:
To his dismay, the economic recovery did happen

You must live in a different world from the rest of us

Norman Potting said:
..and the last PM (I think) to have done a proper job was....John Major..

Apart from the previous two prime ministers you mean: Blair was a lawyer and Brown was a lecturer and then journalist. In fact, Cameron is the prime minister for a long, long time not to have had a job (and even he had a supposed job in PR)

jcdenton08 · Sep 23, 2014

Hatterlovesbrighton said:
No it's not. There are plenty of cabinet ministers that are excellent constituency mps and plenty of non ministers who are shit constituency mps, with many of then having extra jobs on the side.

Now you didn't quite understand my post, did you?

Don Quixote · Sep 23, 2014

I think he's got to go, but who has the guts to oust him so close to the general election?

Weststander · Sep 23, 2014

Ernest said:
Will Cameron get one after 5 years of Bullingdon bullying and incompetence after incompetence, Universal Credit and Immigration shambles for starters

Immigration - didn't the Bliar, Brown, Balls & Moribund(x2) regime, slyly open the floodgates? As revealed by the Bucharest diplomatic whistle blower in 2004. Meaning the UK population rose rapidly from 58m in 1997 to 62m in 2010, in a country left creaking with overcrowded roads, schools, hospitals, GP's surgeries, etc.

Ernest · Sep 23, 2014

Weststander said:
Immigration - didn't the Bliar, Brown, Balls & Moribund(x2) regime, slyly open the floodgates? As revealed by the Bucharest diplomatic whistle blower in 2004. Meaning the UK population rose rapidly from 58m in 1997 to 62m in 2010, in a country left creaking with overcrowded roads, schools, hospitals, GP's surgeries, etc.

But who said they would get it down to TENS of thousands ?

Soulman · Sep 23, 2014

Keep it in the family eh.
Will Straw, Stephen Kinnock and Emily Benn – all descendants of prominent Labour politicians – will stand for the party in next May’s election.
Euan Blair was also linked to a safe seat, but another candidate was chosen
Working-class candidates are overlooked in their favour, campaigners say

Weststander · Sep 23, 2014

Gwylan said:
You must live in a different world from the rest of us

Speak for yourself, not the collective "us". It fails to strengthen the argument.

Milliband and Balls spent 2 or 3 years laying it on the line that we would be in a double or triple dip recession, that austerity would prevent a recovery, that further state spending financed by borrowing was the only solution, that our recovery would be slower or non existent in comparison to other major Western economies. Well, they were proved wrong.

Machiavelli · Sep 23, 2014

Machiavelli said:
Has this thread provided any insight yet?

It's getting worse

dingodan · Sep 23, 2014

Where should we tell the driver to take him?

Gwylan · Sep 23, 2014

Weststander said:
Speak for yourself, not the collective "us". It fails to strengthen the argument.

Milliband and Balls spent 2 or 3 years laying it on the line that we would be in a double or triple dip recession, that austerity would prevent a recovery, that further state spending financed by borrowing was the only solution, that our recovery would be slower or non existent in comparison to other major Western economies. Well, they were proved wrong.

No, not for myself, I'm just reporting what's happening in the real world: from yesterday's Independent. "In the US since May 2010 real wages are flat, whereas in the UK they are down between 8 per cent and 10 per cent, depending on whether you use the Consumer Price Index or the Retail Price Index as a deflator."

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