BBassic
I changed this.
- Jul 28, 2011
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The crazy thing in that situation is that I'd be the one who gets nicked! The world's gone mad I tell ya!
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Cyclist on illegal bike who killed a pedestrian on manslaughter charged 'blamed victim'
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The crazy thing in that situation is that I'd be the one who gets nicked! The world's gone mad I tell ya!
LU7 RED
Active member
Apparently they reckon that's why more women cyclists die on the roads in London than men - because they aren't aggressive enough at junctions etc and truck drivers can't see them... Can't win can ya!
Thing is - the cycling on pavements, jumping red lights etc isn't great and shouldn't be done - but it's just a nuisance in 99.9% of cases. It's just the amount of media that these actions receive as compared to the amount regarding bad driving habits winds me up a bit. There needs to be a bit more perspective sometimes.
Indeed. In fact, I find pedestrians to be the worst offenders. I have no problems with the crossing on a red if there is no one coming but so many of them walk across on red and just stare at you if you try to get across the lights.
You must be great fun at parties. Do you also record what MPG you get each day?
Genuine question, not that I'm defending either: do you distinguish between cyclists that stop at red lights, have a good look, and then trundle though it having deciding it's safe because there are no pedestrians crossing - and those that just ignore them and fly through?
Sorry if I'm sounding thicker than usual here, I'm just struggling on how you came to such a precise figure, esp one that seems quite high. (not that I'm saying no cyclists jump red lights, I'm not that much of a thicko)
As you were riding along you were also counting all the riders in front, beside and behind you, then at every junction you counted those that went through a red?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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whats the difference, is one allowed?
i think the point being made is that a substantial minority of cyclist will run red lights. far higher than the "once in years" someone claimed.
Neither allowed; both fair game for criticism; one significantly even more dangerous than the other - flying through a zebra crossing without caring if anybody is crossing is clearly far more dangerous than trundling over it when you are sure there is nobody crossing.
They still went through a red light, safe or not. They were marked down.
Yes to both questions (and I tried not to count people twice). I was cycling on a Boris bike, which aren't exactly speedy and at nearly 60, I'm not as fast as I used to be so pretty much everybody was overtaking me (and also meant that they were well ahead of the next light).
As I said, it's not scientific, there may be the odd person who got counted twice, skewing the figures but the sums every week were amazingly consistent.
I only did it for three months, I thought that was enough for some sort of guide - I'm not that much of a nerd
Fair enough. As I say, not defending either, but as above there is a big difference in how dangerous the actions are. It would be interesting to see how they split (if you had those stats too).
brightn'ove
cringe
No, kept scores in my head - there were only two figures to keep so it wasn't that difficult.
I only mentioned this as an interesting aside, I didn't expect some sort of Spanish Inquisition
For something not scientific you've ended up with a very precise figure and gender biased.
brightn'ove
cringe
OzMike
Well-known member
I wouldn't be so sure, what about his duty of care, if the bike was not road worthy and he was aware of this, why was he on the road with it.
I'd throw the book and set a precedent.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
So at every lights you stopped, looked in front of you and behind you counting all the cyclists, rather than looking at the lights? Are you sure the lights hadn't changed and cyclists were going through green while you were busy standing there counting? Surely it's fairly busy at London traffic light junctions?
You don't sound very safe to be around.
OzMike
Well-known member
I think that all cyclists posting on here should take their helmets off and see that this could have been preventable had the cyclist been keeping to the highway code rules.
There is no excuse and trying to blame the pedestrian............................
There is no excuse and trying to blame the pedestrian............................
I don't get this. If there are, say, 44 cyclists on the road and eight go through red lights, then that's about 18 percent (and those are roughly the sort of figures I had every day). I don't see how that's a 'precise figure' - particularly as I said that it varied between 18 and 22 percent. If it were a precise figure it would be 19 percent every week.
And I didn't keep records of gender because they were all men (the one female appeared towards the end of the three month period, she stuck out like a sore thumb).
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-pedestrians-1-to-35
Works both ways. Say IF she was on her mobile phone, she wasn't adhering to the highway code. Even if she didn't look properly she has to have some (and I'd rather not use the word) blame for the accident. Just playing devils advocate as none of us were there.
But it is only a matter of time before one of the increasing number of twats that ride LEGAL bikes ILLEGALLY on the pavement do some damage. When that happens, it will be the fault of the OB who currently refuse to enforce the law and penalise the idiots that are riding dangerously on the pavements.
Make all cyclists carry PLI. And if they don't, confiscate their bikes. How difficult can it be?