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[Other Sport] Poor Serena
- Thread starter Juan Albion
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Don't let facts like that distract the moaning.
Tyrone Biggums
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So J K Rowling says this cartoon is racist and people are losing their shit over it.
Seems spot on.
Seems spot on.
I nearly lost my shit through laughing so much, brilliant!
surlyseagull
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- Aug 23, 2008
- 839
Can you imagine any other sport where the players reacted in the way tennis players do to officials .
Speaks volumes imo
Speaks volumes imo
And I thought the lack of respect football refs received was unique.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Chalkdust. Everyone can see that there was chalkdust.
GT49er
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......and presumably it was white? Racist!!!
Icy Gull
Back on the rollercoaster
- Jul 5, 2003
- 72,015
That cartoon is Gilesesque
I agree with the sentiment of the cartoon but am uncomfortable with it playing up to the "sambo" cartoon sterotypes, making her out to be some sort of hefty mama with absolutely massive lips.
Just the sort of lack of sensitivity you might expect from an Australian though - it would have been a much better cartoon had the artist avoided that.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Aye...tend to agree with you...the dummy is a nice touch though
Tyrone Biggums
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Actually he draws many of his characters with pronounced lips. It's his caricature style.
Even thin lipped people can get the treatment.
She is a hefty woman with big lips however. Isn't that physically obvious?
Er, there is ONE character out of four with big lips in that drawing. So no, that isn't "many".
That's not the question you need to ask. Does she have bigger lips than other black people? Not really. So therefore exaggerating the size of her lips is a racial stereotype. I won't argue with regard to her hefty size.
marcos3263
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I typed a long post starting a new thread on this cartoon - luckily it crashed! anyway the gist of it is that any caricature exaggerates features, cue Gary Liniker's ears, Jagger's lips, Trump's orange skin and silly hair. I don't see how he could have drawn her otherwise. She is large and stocky, she is black and she was going mad breaking a racquet.
Surly any and all caricatures are unsympathetic and poke fun.
Surly any and all caricatures are unsympathetic and poke fun.
By drawing thin lips and giving her a falsely slim body, to appease those looking for any spippet of offence.
Tyrone Biggums
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And you completely ignore the single image drawn with huge lips. Well done you.
Do you even understand how caricatures work?
Exaggerating prominent features is literally the basis of that drawing style.
If someone was going to caricature the shape of her face her nose and lips are the most prominent features of HER face.
Yes he could draw a more flattering caricature, the point I believe was to make her seem ugly because her behaviour was ugly.
Not Andy Naylor
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I'm afraid white males can't win on this one. If we call it as we see it, we're going to be accused of being racist and/or sexist. Somehow Williams imagines she was standing up for women by ranting at an umpire for applying rules and playing the 'I've just had a daughter' card - which isn't sexist in itself? How did Naomi Osaka's rights not to have her first Grand Slam victory overshadowed by Serena's hissy fits play into the whole Williams entitlement thing?
The first time I reported on Serena Williams was on Wimbledon court 16, when she retired injured when a set and 4-1 down to Virginie Ruano Pascual (no, me neither). The injury hadn't been that obvious, as I remember, and she insisted that she would have won otherwise. Somehow she recovered enough to win the mixed doubles title with Max Myrni. The upshot was that I've always seen her as a bad loser (not that she's had much practice, to be fair) and a poor sport and very little has ever happened to make me change my mind. When she loses it's because the world is against her. Venus I've always found to be distant but not unpleasant, although the international tennis media find them both hard to like. A very well-known tennis writer once said to me: 'If only they weren't black, then we could write what we really think about them.'
The first time I reported on Serena Williams was on Wimbledon court 16, when she retired injured when a set and 4-1 down to Virginie Ruano Pascual (no, me neither). The injury hadn't been that obvious, as I remember, and she insisted that she would have won otherwise. Somehow she recovered enough to win the mixed doubles title with Max Myrni. The upshot was that I've always seen her as a bad loser (not that she's had much practice, to be fair) and a poor sport and very little has ever happened to make me change my mind. When she loses it's because the world is against her. Venus I've always found to be distant but not unpleasant, although the international tennis media find them both hard to like. A very well-known tennis writer once said to me: 'If only they weren't black, then we could write what we really think about them.'
The clincher is that Williams has in the past badly abused female officials at the US Open.
So the common factor is simply that of a sore loser.
hart's shirt
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Good read by Russell Fuller, BBC tennis correspondent who criticizes USTA president Katrina Adams and WTA's chief exec Steve Simon:
"Vested interest is rife in tennis. Conflicts of interest abound. Adams has a relationship to protect with Williams. Simon is looking out - in purely business terms - for the WTA's biggest commercial asset."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/45477131
"Vested interest is rife in tennis. Conflicts of interest abound. Adams has a relationship to protect with Williams. Simon is looking out - in purely business terms - for the WTA's biggest commercial asset."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/45477131
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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Lucky for us we've won pretty much everything else throughout history eh?
Not Andy Naylor
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It is, and in a way it is only fair if the pendulum swings the other way. But on the other hand, I know I have no chance of a committee post on a professional body I belong to because they want to go younger and more racially diverse and have more women represented. But it's not my fault they only picked white males before though, is it?