French presidential election.

knocky1 · Apr 23, 2017

BensGrandad said:
Which of the 2 would benefit us most by winning?

If Le Penn wins there should be a left back we could sign on the cheap.

JC Footy Genius · Apr 23, 2017

The first round is about voting for who you most want to win the second round is making sure the one you dislike most doesn't. Macron will win*.

*probably

Buzzer · Apr 23, 2017

dingodan said:
I completely agree, I think maybe you are including too many people in what you are saying is racist though. I mean what is the difference between what we both agree on and what most people who are labelled far right believe?

Unless you believe that they are for some kind of global segregation? Like I said, I've not heard that before from anyone.

In the USA, the Ku Klux Klan and others hold it so dear that they refer to it as "the 14 words" ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and has mythical status. Likewise, the Muslim Brotherhood are also staunchly separatist. The best example is Japan. Their PM even said in 2012 that they are a one-race nation. They aren't far-right and they aren't necessarily bigoted but it's clearly racist.

The Rivet · Apr 23, 2017

Buzzer said:
In the USA, the Ku Klux Klan and others hold it so dear that they refer to it as "the 14 words" ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and has mythical status. Likewise, the Muslim Brotherhood are also staunchly separatist.

Fooked then are we not? A clash is inevitable and can be the only conclusion from your statement.

Buzzer · Apr 23, 2017

The Rivet said:
Fooked then are we not? A clash is inevitable and can be the only conclusion from your statement.

Not if you disagree with them and not if the number of people who hold those views are so inconsequential as to be irrelevant.

dingodan · Apr 23, 2017

Buzzer said:
In the USA, the Ku Klux Klan and others hold it so dear that they refer to it as "the 14 words" ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and has mythical status. Likewise, the Muslim Brotherhood are also staunchly separatist.

Well, that's interesting, but what on earth does that have to do with the far right? Far right = KKK?

If Marine Le Pen qualifies as being Far right, then she is comparable to the KKK.

Are you sure you have thought this through?

The Rivet · Apr 23, 2017

Buzzer said:
Not if you disagree with them and not if the number of people who hold those views are so inconsequential as to be irrelevant.

Disagree with whom? The KKK?

knocky1 · Apr 23, 2017

Buzzer said:
In the USA, the Ku Klux Klan and others hold it so dear that they refer to it as "the 14 words" ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and has mythical status. Likewise, the Muslim Brotherhood are also staunchly separatist. The best example is Japan. Their PM even said in 2012 that they are a one-race nation. They aren't far-right and they aren't necessarily bigoted but it's clearly racist.

The KKK are from immigrants in a now booming multicultural nation that annihaleted the indigenous people.
Muslim Brotherhood, man, are from a particular hood of political Islam.
Japan is racist even in today's world.

The Rivet · Apr 23, 2017

So nationalistic cultural identity and pride is up for debate unless you are coloured. If you defend it your racist.

The Rivet · Apr 23, 2017

Buzzer said:
In the USA, the Ku Klux Klan and others hold it so dear that they refer to it as "the 14 words" ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.") and has mythical status. Likewise, the Muslim Brotherhood are also staunchly separatist. The best example is Japan. Their PM even said in 2012 that they are a one-race nation. They aren't far-right and they aren't necessarily bigoted but it's clearly racist.

You have the sub: Languidly Clinical. You on Largactil?

BadFish · Apr 23, 2017

Soulman said:
Hello, you back again, sh1t stirring and cosying up to your mates.
Firstly i have stated on the other thread that i am not replying to studio 150, i might get more PM's if i do.
So i believe the vote is rigged because now the field is narrowed down the ousted parties will (like you and your mates) just gang up on Le Pen.....was blatantly obvious what the outcome of the first round would be, and predicted what would happen in the next round.
This tired old "soulman does not answer questions" has been aired many times, just admit you do not agree with my opinions or answers, this becomes apparent when you can not accept the result of a democratic vote, and just keep whining it's not fair.

So in your first paragraph you accuse an election of being rigged on the basis that people are going to vote against your preferred candidate. Then in your second you accuse someone else if not accepting a democratic vote

Priceless.

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Buzzer · Apr 23, 2017

dingodan said:
Well, that's interesting, but what on earth does that have to do with the far right? Far right = KKK?

If Marine Le Pen qualifies as being Far right, then she is comparable to the KKK.

Are you sure you have thought this through?

Apologies then, I'm not making myself clear. I'm just giving examples of countries or groups who believe in global separation as you said you'd never heard of it.

Most definitely, the KKK are a far-right group. They're very closely linked to the American Nazi Party to the point that they are indistinguishable. I also think the FN are a far-right party for all the reasons I've already given. Their manifesto states: "the reaffirmation of our republican model and its values against Anglo—Saxon multiculturalism." They argue that it's simply because our way doesn't work for them. That's pretty clear cut that they want to discriminate against a particular culture/race in favour of another and that's my definition of racism.

The FN and KKK are both far-right parties, both have what I consider racist beliefs. The FN are a major political force with some very persuasive and clever people whereas the KKK are an irrelevant sideshow full of losers and FBI informants. FN claim not be bigots whereas the KKK revel in it. They are similar in some ways, different in others.

Yes, I've thought it through.

The Rivet · Apr 23, 2017

BadFish said:
So in your first paragraph you accuse an election of being rigged on the basis that people are going to vote against your preferred candidate. Then in your second you accuse someone else if not accepting a democratic vote

Priceless.

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Priceless you are indeed.

Buzzer · Apr 23, 2017

The Rivet said:
You have the sub: Languidly Clinical. You on Largactil?

It comes from this description of Brighton's first season in the Championship under Poyet.

https://experimental361.com/explanations/explanations-scatters/

Buzzer · Apr 23, 2017

knocky1 said:
The KKK are from immigrants in a now booming multicultural nation that annihaleted the indigenous people.
Muslim Brotherhood, man, are from a particular hood of political Islam.
Japan is racist even in today's world.

I agree with all of that. Sorry but I am not sure what your point is.

The Rivet · Apr 23, 2017

Oh Buzzer. I'd rather be on Largactil.....................Clever though

Buzzer · Apr 23, 2017

The Rivet said:
Disagree with whom? The KKK?

I disagree that multiculturalism in general is fundamentally wrong, I think there's lots of problems with some aspects but I think they are fixable. I also think it's impossible to change to a monoculture.

Night all!

JC Footy Genius · Apr 23, 2017

When the FN most likely lose it will be hailed as a rejection of extremism and endorsement for the status quo. Unfortunately, this view is somewhat mistaken in my view. This is just another near miss and warning that significant changes are needed. Macron is more a last chance for the more centrist politicians to come up with policies and solutions that really address the legitimate concerns of the population. Not sure how many more warnings the establishment/political class need.

beorhthelm · Apr 23, 2017

dingodan said:
Well I've never heard that, that's essentially global segregation. The impression I get is that people are against policies which encourage large numbers of people to relocate to wealthier countries because those countries can often struggle to integrate and take care of those kinds of numbers, especially if there are significant cultural differences involved. - This seems to me to be true, do you think I'm racist?

its certainly a nationalist point of view. theres a fine line between nationalism and racism, one thats been crossed all too easily too often by politicans in the in the past, so they become one and the same.

sparkie · Apr 24, 2017

They get Macron as a candidate, we get Corbyn and May :nono:

I'll add my own Macron box to the UK ballot paper and check it [emoji38]ol:

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