Tony Meolas Loan Spell
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Wrong. I had sympathy. I now had none.
Lets not forget there is now a reduced timetable in place.
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- Thread starter Ernest
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Wrong. I had sympathy. I now had none.
Lets not forget there is now a reduced timetable in place.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
Deadly Danson
Well-known member
Please provide ONE shred of evidence that excessive sickness is taking place. Southern have failed to provide any figures and admitted that they are short of staff. "Shortage of train crew" is not evidence.
Norman Baker suck my lozenge
New member
The reason that a reduced (emergency)timetable is in place is due to southern being 25% down on staff.
This timetable has been in place for 2 months now,must be one hell of an emergency,as I said ,bitter Mail readers not bothering to look beyond the headlines.
I don't think customers care what the excuse is anymore. All they want is the government, Govia and the employees to deliver the service they have paid, often at a highly inflated price, for to get them from A to B ...... ON TIME !!! It's a simple concept and one none of the previously mentioned parties seem to understand.
[MENTION=1365]Westdene Seagull[/MENTION] & [MENTION=2422]Tony Meolas Loan Spell[/MENTION],
Regardless of the reason behind it, this is all about the current government declaring war on the union by the back door. Southern is not a franchise, it is merely the name of the license the government have given Govia to run the trains. Under the terms, Govia are no longer incentivised to maximise passenger numbers or fare revenue. All they are required to do is attempt to run a bare minimum train service and implement government directives - one of those is to implement DOO.
So the reason I am saying all of that is, as tempting as it is to blame union intransigence for this, I personally can't do it. I am not always impressed with the way the unions go to strike over trivial reasons at the expense of the commuter, but the problem here is that the government are washing their hands of a problem they have created: they have handed over management of industrial relations to Govia, who are proving as incompetent at that as they are of everything else.
I often say to myself "I don't care whose fault it is, just sort it out" - implying Govia and the Unions are of equal blame. But that's not fair - it is the governments doing and in particular I object to the devious way the government have gone about conducting this ideological war. If you want to do that, let the public have some transparency. Say what you like about Thatcher's miners striker, but at least she was up front about her reasons and why her government felt it was war worth winning. This is just pure gutless dishonesty from the government of the day.
Regardless of the reason behind it, this is all about the current government declaring war on the union by the back door. Southern is not a franchise, it is merely the name of the license the government have given Govia to run the trains. Under the terms, Govia are no longer incentivised to maximise passenger numbers or fare revenue. All they are required to do is attempt to run a bare minimum train service and implement government directives - one of those is to implement DOO.
So the reason I am saying all of that is, as tempting as it is to blame union intransigence for this, I personally can't do it. I am not always impressed with the way the unions go to strike over trivial reasons at the expense of the commuter, but the problem here is that the government are washing their hands of a problem they have created: they have handed over management of industrial relations to Govia, who are proving as incompetent at that as they are of everything else.
I often say to myself "I don't care whose fault it is, just sort it out" - implying Govia and the Unions are of equal blame. But that's not fair - it is the governments doing and in particular I object to the devious way the government have gone about conducting this ideological war. If you want to do that, let the public have some transparency. Say what you like about Thatcher's miners striker, but at least she was up front about her reasons and why her government felt it was war worth winning. This is just pure gutless dishonesty from the government of the day.
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David Boyle's blog that you and others are so keen on quoting recently stated "As I understand it, the sickness levels among frontline staff have now sunk back to pre-dispute levels". This means:
1. Sickness was at abnormally high levels for a period of time (despite your, and other, protestations that it wasn't).
2. It may be back down again. Who knows.
Deadly Danson
Well-known member
I did see that and raised an eyebrow. It certainly isn't proof and he has argued before that there hadn't been abnormally high levels of sickness. Again, speaking to managers and seeing my colleagues in and working on a day to day basis I can only say as I see and when Southern have been pressed for any actual figures they have refused to provide them. What I have seen is a lot of guards moving on over the past 6 months or so, to become drivers, managers, changing jobs, retiring or taking voluntary redundancy.
Arthur
Well-known member
Fancy someone dodging a question they didn't want to answer......
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Of course, as with any job someone can try to con a long term sickness status out of their employee. I'm sure SASTA have harsh procedures for dealing with long term sickness issues.
What the SASTA employees cannot do is phone up in the morning *with flu* unless they haul themselves down to the surgery with a sniffle.
Ah, I see. He's good, insightful and has his finger on the pulse. Right up to the point he says something you don't like. Understood.
Gazwag
5 millionth post poster
Shout out to South Eastern who were providing passengers and staff with free ice lollies at Charing Cross yesterday
Doc Lynam
I hate the Daily Mail
- Jun 19, 2011
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Interviewed on BBC South East Today
As Bozza said and i posted last month its clear whats really going on if you listen!
As Bozza said and i posted last month its clear whats really going on if you listen!
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
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Do you have any evidence of the sickness levels rising ? You keep repeating this , so is it something you have as fact or just repeating media lies.
What is a fact is that CEO Charles Horton was asked about abnormal sickness levels at the HOC committee and couldn't back up what he was saying with facts which supported this assumption.
Really ? SASTA employees aren't allowed to self certify for the first five days of sickness as is the law ?
Not according to the government website ( and I got it wrong, it's 7 days to self certify )
https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave
I don't mean any disrepect at all, but it feels to me as if you're looking for reasons to blame the union. Honestly, in this instance for the reasons I've outlined, I don't think you're being very fair.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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and owned by the same parent company, so just why does Southern/GTR get things so wrong?
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
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and owned by the same parent company, so just why does Southern/GTR get things so wrong?
Because South Eastern value their passengers and staff whereas Southern just see them as an annoyance standing in the way of shareholder profits and director bonuses?
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