Massive fire in London - Grenfell Tower in Shepherds Bush

beorhthelm · Jun 21, 2017

Westdene Seagull said:
"The apartments are "newly-built social housing" in a complex where the price of private homes starts at £1.5m."

Don't get me wrong, it's excellent news something is being done BUT how can properties STARTING at £1.5m ever be classed as social housing ?

most developments required to provide a % of the development to social housing to get through planning. however here i think its mixed reporting, the block appears to have been brought up by City of London Corporation and donated to the council to rehouse the residents, its just getting labeled as social housing because of usage.

Sussex Nomad · Jun 21, 2017

beorhthelm said:
most developments required to provide a % of the development to social housing to get through planning. however here i think its mixed reporting, the block appears to have been brought up by City of London Corporation and donated to the council to rehouse the residents, its just getting labeled as social housing because of usage.

Berkeleys, and other building firms, as you correctly point out, have to add around 25% social housing. It's not always very good housing. I lived in a St James building in Hornsey, another Berkeleys company. My flat was fine but the social housing there was ripped apart in condemnation by inhabitants.

Chicken Run · Jun 21, 2017

Sussex Nomad said:
I was just interested to know, is there anything wrong with that?

No not at all

symyjym · Jun 21, 2017

At least this will stop all the conspiracy theorists.

1234andcounting · Jun 21, 2017

symyjym said:
At least this will stop all the conspiracy theorists.

Russian hackers posted this. I am convinced of it. Lord Lucan told me.

Chicken Run · Jun 21, 2017

The flats will be fully furnished, I think the government have actually done a superb job here and as said earlier in just over a week of this horrific disaster.

amexer · Jun 21, 2017

Sure Jeremy will find something wrong with this. Should be all over news saying how well government has done to act so fast but thats not how our media works

Jim D · Jun 21, 2017

amexer said:
Sure Jeremy will find something wrong with this. Should be all over news saying how well government has done to act so fast but thats not how our media works

He'll obviously point out that they're only getting the social housing and not the top of the range stuff. This just goes to show in what little regard the poor and needy are held under this awful Tory government.

JC Footy Genius · Jun 21, 2017

amexer said:
Sure Jeremy will find something wrong with this. Should be all over news saying how well government has done to act so fast but thats not how our media works

To be fair to Jezza when you have access to the magic money tree and ignore the huge debt burden every poor person, migrant or refugee can be housed in top notch100% secure accommadation all over the country.

Ludensian Gull · Jun 21, 2017

Sussex Nomad said:
Ah yes 375. Sorry I worked for Berkeleys for 3 years so know this development well.

My son in law is a project construction director for Berkeleys , used to work for Mount Anvil

Sussex Nomad · Jun 21, 2017

Ludensian Gull said:
My son in law is a project construction director for Berkeleys , used to work for Mount Anvil

I was the front end web developer there, in Woking, our paths probably never crossed.

Guinness Boy · Jun 21, 2017

amexer said:
Sure Jeremy will find something wrong with this. Should be all over news saying how well government has done to act so fast but thats not how our media works

On the day of the Queen's speech I reckon most of the political correspondents may just be otherwise engaged. Actually fair play to the government for not only sorting this out but doing so at a time when the good news was always unlikely to make top story. It's only fair to give praise where due.

That doesn't mean, though, that the system isn't massively broken and, as Panorama showed, there are plenty of people with questions to answer. Prevention is always better than cure.

Crispy Ambulance · Jun 21, 2017

Met a bloke today who's working on site up there. The Fire Brigade told him there were 42 bodies in just one room! Unknown if from the same family/families or if they were taking 'shelter' in there as the room was near the stairwell.

I guess the total number of dead/missing may never be known due to a number of the dead not officially existing!

1234andcounting · Jun 21, 2017

amexer said:
Sure Jeremy will find something wrong with this. Should be all over news saying how well government has done to act so fast but thats not how our media works

You are so right. The huge bias against the Conservative party is a worry to all right minded people.

Jim D · Jun 21, 2017

Crispy Ambulance said:
I guess the total number of dead/missing may never be known due to a number of the dead not officially existing!

Also there is the likelihood that someone with big debts may wish to be presumed dead and then go under the radar. It's not easy to do but can be done if you're determined.

Publius Ovidius · Jun 21, 2017

1234andcounting said:
You are so right. The huge bias against the Conservative party is a worry to all right minded people.

I see what you did there.

symyjym · Jun 21, 2017

Crispy Ambulance said:
Met a bloke today who's working on site up there. The Fire Brigade told him there were 42 bodies in just one room! Unknown if from the same family/families or if they were taking 'shelter' in there as the room was near the stairwell.

I guess the total number of dead/missing may never be known due to a number of the dead not officially existing!

It looks like the sort of place where there may have been some flats filled with illegal imigrants or people putting up extended families. People are claiming 500 but anyone who died in the flat without being registrered as a tenant may never be counted let alone identified.

Crispy Ambulance · Jun 21, 2017

symyjym said:
It looks like the sort of place where there may have been some flats filled with illegal imigrants or people putting up extended families. People are claiming 500 but anyone who died in the flat without being registrered as a tenant may never be counted let alone identified.

Indeed. And how many 'Grenfell Towers' are there, not just in London but around the country?

drew · Jun 21, 2017

amexer said:
Sure Jeremy will find something wrong with this. Should be all over news saying how well government has done to act so fast but thats not how our media works

Isn't it the local council that have sorted this rather than the government of Mrs May?

beorhthelm · Jun 21, 2017

symyjym said:
It looks like the sort of place where there may have been some flats filled with illegal imigrants or people putting up extended families. People are claiming 500 but anyone who died in the flat without being registrered as a tenant may never be counted let alone identified.

is the 500 some official estimate or finger in the air from the public?

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