Washie
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This has probably swayed quite a few people to the independence camp with this absolutely idiotic decision
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catalonia independence vote......
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Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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Talking to my Catalan friends, they want the Rajoy government to fall and fall quickly
Hampster Gull
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your links have been very helpful, thanks Mustafa. This is a complete outrage
The Spanish police and government have absolutely ****ed this up and behaved disgustingly.
If the result goes that way, I fully expect Catalunya to declare independence in the coming days.
What would happen then, I really have no idea.
If the result goes that way, I fully expect Catalunya to declare independence in the coming days.
What would happen then, I really have no idea.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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It's been a simmering hotpot for ages, the Spanish government got very nervous when we allowed the Scottish independence vote to happen as they knew the Catalan's would say " How about us then ?" . It was written somewhere that it is a lose/lose for the Spanish government, deny the vote= trouble, allow the vote and they vote out as expected=bigger trouble. lots of cracked heads and anger today could lead to mounting anger and fatalities, then it gets really messy.
Neville's Breakfast
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If such scenes were happening in Moscow or Ukraine there would be condemnation from the EU......
Superseagull
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- Jul 8, 2003
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I read somewhere that the vote was predicted to be not in favour of independance by a ratio of 60/40 so not sure why the Spanish government where so desperate to stop it? This will not end well.
Baker lite
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If this is Europe in 2017 thank god we are leaving.
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larus
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What seems clear to me is that democracy is fine, so long as it’s what the elite/rulers want. This is one of the main reasons why I voted leave. The unelected beaurocrats like Juncker etc are parasitic scum IMO. The treatment of the Catalonians today and the lack of response from the EU elite is deafening. They don’t want this to happen as it opens huge questions as to the irreversibility of the Euro.
Why?, well how could a country outside of the EU (which Catalan would be as Spain would veto) use the Euro? The only way would be by using it as their currency, but not having any control over monetary policy - dangerous.
This has a way to go yet, and I fear for the heavy handed tactics which the Spanish government will use. Sad day.
The decisions of the Spanish government perplex me. It would appear if a free vote had taken place a result to stay, by a good margin, would have been the result. Yes legal arguments would have followed but the result would have been upheld. No I guess the Catalunia problem wouldn't go away. The Government with, it seems, the backing of the EU decided to clamp down and 'go in hard' Riot police today have done as much damage to the EU (and Spain) as the illegal tidal wave of immigration.
- Apr 5, 2014
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The East Sussex will leave, then Brighton and Hove, then Brighton. And finally, on that triumphant day, we will raise the flag of our own independence here in Hanover.
FatSuperman
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- Feb 25, 2016
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I can understand the Spanish government being cowardly and idiotic, absolutely. That sums up most self-serving politicians. But how the hell can the Police, military or otherwise attack their own people like that. What kind of unbelievable **** would you have to be to see a person, peacefully holding their hands in the air, and slam your baton into their face? I've seen some stuff today that is making my blood boil.
No better than any dictator-led state anywhere. I cannot understand how they haven't had a full scale riot going on. I see stuff like that and think that if a few people fought back aggressively, the tide could quickly turn and god knows what happens next.
Disgusting. I eargerly await the mealy-mouthed response from pathetic EU leaders everywhere. And I'm pro-EU.
No better than any dictator-led state anywhere. I cannot understand how they haven't had a full scale riot going on. I see stuff like that and think that if a few people fought back aggressively, the tide could quickly turn and god knows what happens next.
Disgusting. I eargerly await the mealy-mouthed response from pathetic EU leaders everywhere. And I'm pro-EU.
FatSuperman
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- Feb 25, 2016
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Like that time Homer declared independence? Your house could become a tax haven!
Hampster Gull
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The Spanish State has proven they are taking this super seriously, any unrest will result in deaths. The Catalans on the streets have not wanted trouble, they have been peaceful. The state has forces in the city, most shipped in from outside, they are unlikely to have as many in days / weeks. Also a riot would destroy their homes, their livelihoods. But let's see, it could all kick off on any spark. But theyshould take their time, think of ways to get their voice heard. That could take many forms.
- Apr 5, 2014
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So they may debate the articles of the Lisbon Treaty.... Spain could have the vote withdrawn.
Although Valcárcel does have an axe to grind...
Pringle time.
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Who just happens to be Spanish.