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UKIP Surge Ahead!
- Thread starter Milton Keynes Seagull
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1: it's the opinion of the major independent economic forecasters........and Nigel Farange agrees with their findings.
2: I don't understand your point in relation to imports and exports. If we pull out of the EU we won't stop buying German cars, French Apples, olive oil etc.
3: The figure you quote of £50m a day is a gross cost, the net is about £21m a day, and to put that in context the government spends £1,900m a day.
4: I don't see how protecting workers from being exploited in terms of working hours is a bad thing, and the rules only apply to a very small proportion of the workforce anyway.
5: If we are not in a free economic trading market there will be more, not less, bureaucracy to deal with if you are an exporter or importer.
6: There are qhango's and civil servants here in the UK who make policies that you and I cannot vote out.
7: The EU is our biggest and closest market with which to trade, if you think the Chinese and Indians are going to start buying more British goods and services as a result of pulling out of the EU then you have zero understanding of trade and economics.
pastafarian
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They are doing exceptionally well. bearing in mind their policies.
1. Get out of the EU.
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Could a UKIP supporter fill in the blanks because I honestly don't know what they are?
not a supporter,but i believe they want to look at the whole question of the smoking ban with regard to pubs(and thats pubs solely,not restaurants work places etc). As a smoker i am willing to let Mr Farage tea bag me whenever he wants
Brave try to introduce balance intelligence and common sense. Unlikely to work with UKIP supporters though who don't vote on these bases. Their vote is a cry for help, a shout against progress. Such a rump has always existed it is just larger at the moment because of the recent failings of established politics. At least unlike the 1930s it has not yet taken on a violent form and it is unlikely to do so in the UK anyway. The in/out referendum, if it takes place, will be a dangerous moment but if we survive that it will be the end of UKIP. Farage may self destruct before then anyway because he is a phoney waiting to be exposed
pastafarian
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can someone please explain to me why pulling out of the EU would prevent us from setting up individual trade agreements with other EU countries?
It wouldn't. But guess what? They would all insist that we follow the rules of the single market. And I would also guess they would be in no rush to accommodate us. And companies from all over the would suddenly think that investing in the UK in order to access the EU would not make sense. And no one would take any notice of us. And we would still be a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights
We wouldn't have to. As discussed in an article by Paddy Ashdown last year, the likely outcome would be a single trade agreement between the UK and the EU. Yes we would still be bound by SOME of the rules but importantly we'd be free to create trade deals with the rest of the world that suited us rather than the EU.
And we will have lemonade and cake for tea! What world do you inhabit? Do you really think China Japan the US India etc will give a monkeys about little old UK. Do you not think that when Nissan are thinking about a new plant there will be a little French or German or Brussels voice in their ear about how it might make sense to invest in the EU and not outside?
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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This.
People really overestimate the importance of the UK in the world economy. We are tiny by comparison to US, China etc and if we were to leave the EU would become an irrelevance.
It is only our being a member if a much larger organisation that gives us a say.
bhadebenhams
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- Mar 14, 2009
- 328
Rubbish, we inventered the HOVVERCRAFT, and we have Dean Wilkins, (SEVNTH), so stick that in your silly berry hat PIERE
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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The Birdman
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In February 2013.....
UKIP claimed they would Give pensioners a better deal' by increasing the basic state pension.
UKIP election Leaflet, Eastleigh By-election 2013
BUT in December 2013
UKIP set out their opposition to the triple lock on state pension ( which protects and increases the value of pensions).
BBC Autumn StatementSpecial 5th December 2013
Before the last Euro Elections...... But only days later....
UKIP urged voters to send a message to politicians, You've furnished a second home, you've paid the housekeeper, you've ripped of taxpayers- you're fired!'
Financial Times, 21 May 2009
Nigel Farage said that he had claimed vast sums ' in Expenses and allowances as an MEP: I don't know what the total amount is but- oh lor- it must be pushing £ 2 million.'
The Observer 24 the May 2009
All I am saying they are all as bad as each other promise that sounds good. At the time!!!
UKIP claimed they would Give pensioners a better deal' by increasing the basic state pension.
UKIP election Leaflet, Eastleigh By-election 2013
BUT in December 2013
UKIP set out their opposition to the triple lock on state pension ( which protects and increases the value of pensions).
BBC Autumn StatementSpecial 5th December 2013
Before the last Euro Elections...... But only days later....
UKIP urged voters to send a message to politicians, You've furnished a second home, you've paid the housekeeper, you've ripped of taxpayers- you're fired!'
Financial Times, 21 May 2009
Nigel Farage said that he had claimed vast sums ' in Expenses and allowances as an MEP: I don't know what the total amount is but- oh lor- it must be pushing £ 2 million.'
The Observer 24 the May 2009
All I am saying they are all as bad as each other promise that sounds good. At the time!!!
Along the same lines, you would have to be a touch thick, uneducated and sheep like to think that everyone who represents UKIP share his values.
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
- 9,102
The smears? You mean the things they've said and tweeted?
I was repeating the thinkings of a respected and very pro-EU politician. He commented that while he would always fight for the UK to stay in the EU the doomsday scenario arguments that many put out ( such as your claims ) were completely out of proportion of any likely reality - i.e. the claims are nothing more than scaremongering. He also pointed out that the scaremongering actually hardens anti-EU views and does the "In" campaign a lot of damage.
scaremongering? what about
- 26million unemployed Europeans after your job
- 29million Bulgarians and Romanians waiting to swamp the UK
- EU costs £50m per day
- 75% of laws made by Brussels
Who exactly are the scaremongers?
Sometimes the truth is scary!
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
I'm just going to put this here. Worth a read especially number 5 as the EU is the reason everyone seems to want to get behind these right wing nutters.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/kieran-turner-dave/the-top-10-ukip-arguments_b_4650602.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/kieran-turner-dave/the-top-10-ukip-arguments_b_4650602.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
midnight_rendezvous
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Perhaps the worst thing the pro-EU camp have done is put fluffy-haired, unprincipled, VI Form-esque politico, Nick Clegg up against Nigel Farage.
Farage is clearly quite good at what he does right now, and Clegg isn't. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the pro-EU wing of British politics get their act together, take UKIP seriously and take them on with proper economics. I do feel Farage has the easier job, hoovering up votes from the less well informed and disaffected Tories, but remain convinced that a half decent politician with a background in economics would absolutely wipe the floor with him.
I see the same thing happening on here - anti-EU [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION] has been nothing if not utterly convincing so often on here, except when pro-EU [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] presents his own facts. It's no surprise that El Pres is an economist and is the only person cunning fergus ends up retorting rather feebly to.
Farage is clearly quite good at what he does right now, and Clegg isn't. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the pro-EU wing of British politics get their act together, take UKIP seriously and take them on with proper economics. I do feel Farage has the easier job, hoovering up votes from the less well informed and disaffected Tories, but remain convinced that a half decent politician with a background in economics would absolutely wipe the floor with him.
I see the same thing happening on here - anti-EU [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION] has been nothing if not utterly convincing so often on here, except when pro-EU [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION] presents his own facts. It's no surprise that El Pres is an economist and is the only person cunning fergus ends up retorting rather feebly to.