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cirC

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Jul 26, 2004
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The miners had every right to strike in the 70's with the conditions and wage restraints that were implemented. My early working life - or lack of it because of unemployment - was under Thatcher. What a great time that was trying to get on in life. Because working men wouldn't concede to Heath, Thatcher sought revenge in the most spiteful of manners. Those days shaped my political views. It was the behaviour of Heath and Thatcher that turned me to the left of centre.
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Very good but when Corbyn was taking direct action the Labour Callaghan government was in power which then lead to the Thatcher years.One extreme to another from which Corbyn is now pretending ....NOT ME GOV. Between Heath and Thatcher there were 6 years of Wilson/Callaghan labour governments.
Some of us do remember and Thatcher happened because of Corbyn not the other way round!!!
 




peterward

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Nov 11, 2009
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The Tories have won the General Election, so there's no need to worry about The Labour party now, is there? Why still focus on them, when there's so many positives to accentuate on from the strong and stable Government we now have?
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I voted Blair twice and I could vote Labour again if the moved back towards the centre where the majority of the electorate sits. Would love to vote Lib Dem except EU policy position.

What is quite frankly ridiculous is there are a lot of labour fan boy tribalists who would vote for a dead donkey if it had a red rosette without engaging their brains.

Many ten years ago would be cheering on Blair and later Brown against the horrible Torys, then they'd attack Eton boy Cameron and now support Corbyn.

Blair and Browns new labour centrist pro business, privatisation policy and many liberal positions are far closer to Camerons centrist Tory positions than they are to Corbyns hard left ones.

Yet then they cheered labour and today they do Corbyn, the only thing common between the 2 is a labour rosette. New labour and the current new old labour are miles apart. Cameron was centrist and liberal in the main and Blair lite is a correct analogy.

There is no mainstream appetite for hard left socialism in Britain. If Labour moves towards the centre it has an excellent chance of success again. Stay where it is and facing next time a much better Tory campaign and leader. It will lose again..... Cue the downing street rent a mob protesters
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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peterward said:
I voted Blair twice and I could vote Labour again if the moved back towards the centre where the majority of the electorate sits. Would love to vote Lib Dem except EU policy position.

What is quite frankly ridiculous is there are a lot of labour fan boy tribalists who would vote for a dead donkey if it had a red rosette without engaging their brains.

Many ten years ago would be cheering on Blair and later Brown against the horrible Torys, then they'd attack Eton boy Cameron and now support Corbyn.

Blair and Browns new labour centrist pro business, privatisation policy and many liberal positions are far closer to Camerons centrist Tory positions than they are to Corbyns hard left ones.

Yet then they cheered labour and today they do Corbyn, the only thing common between the 2 is a labour rosette. New labour and the current new old labour are miles apart. Cameron was centrist and liberal in the main and Blair lite is a correct analogy.

There is no mainstream appetite for hard left socialism in Britain. If Labour moves towards the centre it has an excellent chance of success again. Stay where it is and facing next time a much better Tory campaign and leader. It will lose again..... Cue the downing street rent a mob protesters
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Questions

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Oct 18, 2006
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cirC said:
Very good but when Corbyn was taking direct action the Labour Callaghan government was in power which then lead to the Thatcher years.One extreme to another from which Corbyn is now pretending ....NOT ME GOV.
Some of us do remember and Thatcher happened because of Corbyn not the other way round!!!
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Jeremy Corbin defended the interests on more than one occasion of fellow employees and that makes him satan does it. That's what union officials do. A lot of Labour candidates came through that system. The Labour Party has its roots entwined with trade unions and social reformists. That's what it's about. The clever trick Thatcher performed was getting the general public to think that ALL unions were the devil incarnate. They aren't.
Heath happened because of Wilson. Callaghan happened because of Heath.Thatcher happened because of Callaghan. Thats what happens.

Thatcher happened because of Corbin is a pretty weak argument with respect in my opinion.
 
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spring hall convert

spring hall convert

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Nov 3, 2009
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Funny how when a group of disenfranchised voters came out to support Brexit, all the talk especially in the right-wing press was of 'legitimate concerns.'

Now a group of equally disenfranchised voters came out for Corbyn, they've been bribed.

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Scotchegg

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Sep 1, 2014
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peterward said:
I voted Blair twice and I could vote Labour again if the moved back towards the centre where the majority of the electorate sits. Would love to vote Lib Dem except EU policy position.

What is quite frankly ridiculous is there are a lot of labour fan boy tribalists who would vote for a dead donkey if it had a red rosette without engaging their brains.

Many ten years ago would be cheering on Blair and later Brown against the horrible Torys, then they'd attack Eton boy Cameron and now support Corbyn.

Blair and Browns new labour centrist pro business, privatisation policy and many liberal positions are far closer to Camerons centrist Tory positions than they are to Corbyns hard left ones.

Yet then they cheered labour and today they do Corbyn, the only thing common between the 2 is a labour rosette. New labour and the current new old labour are miles apart. Cameron was centrist and liberal in the main and Blair lite is a correct analogy.

There is no mainstream appetite for hard left socialism in Britain. If Labour moves towards the centre it has an excellent chance of success again. Stay where it is and facing next time a much better Tory campaign and leader. It will lose again..... Cue the downing street rent a mob protesters
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I'm going to have to disagree to an extent here. I agree that there are some quality politicians in labour that sit more towards the centre and corbyn should utilise them going forward. But new labour is dead. How can you see the vote share from the election or see the corbyn campaign rallies and say there's no appetite for "hard left socialism"? I'd disagree it's hard left myself but there you go. The manifesto polled high every day from its release until election day when people were asked if they thought it was any good.

I can also remember a time not so long ago when everyone was apathetic about politics because everyone was just a different colour of middle ground nonsense that appealed to fewer and fewer people. That's one of the reasons we saw parties like BNP, UKIP etc gaining popularity during those years.

So I'd say that there most certainly is a appetite for something else and if labour scraps what they've done now, they'll get buried. But as I say, I do think some of the centrists need to get on board but they shouldn't be dancing to the new labour tune that's for sure. Equally corbyn needs to work with them too though.
 






btnbelle

btnbelle

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Apr 26, 2017
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The solution is we keep free trade and keep the free movement of people. That's what the majority of us want.
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Over 80% of people voted either Conservative or Labour. Both stood saying no freedom of movement of people. It is what the majority of people voted for.
 


nicko31

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Gods country fortnightly


spring hall convert

spring hall convert

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Nov 3, 2009
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Brighton
Has anyone mentioned the huge impact that tactical voting had?

In Scotland there was a huge pro-union tactical vote.

And locally the evidence is clear that a progressive, anti-Tory vote coalesced.

The reason the vote was so polarised was it was effectively progressive alliance vs regressive alliance in England, especially in London and the South East.
 




btnbelle

btnbelle

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Apr 26, 2017
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nicko31 said:
With the young vote now energised there would be a clear remain re-run vote occurred tomorrow. George Osborne our next PM has already said hard Brexit is dead
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The young came out in force to vote Labour who stood for No freedom of movement of people. They did not vote Lib Dem in our Brexit election in June 2017. George Osbourne is not an MP. He has too many jobs to become PM. Brexit was the outcome in June 2016. We voted for no freedom of movement of people this month. We all want to trade with the EU but there has to be control of immigration.
 


larus

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Jul 7, 2003
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In the land of hope and expectation....


btnbelle

btnbelle

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larus said:
Duh, he's not even an MP :lol:.

Well, Labour are saying they want to leave the Single Market, so I don't know what you think is hard/soft BREXIT.
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Hard / soft Brexit perhaps that is not our choice, We have to negotiate with the EU. Compromise with them for sure but no freedom of movement of people but no ban on EU citizens contributing to our economy. If they are sensible a solution will be reached. It is in all our interests.
 




vegster

vegster

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May 5, 2008
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Jeremy Corbin defended the interests on more than one occasion of fellow employees and that makes him satan does it. That's what union officials do. A lot of Labour candidates came through that system. The Labour Party has its roots entwined with trade unions and social reformists. That's what it's about. The clever trick Thatcher performed was getting the general public to think that ALL unions were the devil incarnate. They aren't.
Heath happened because of Wilson. Callaghan happened because of Heath.Thatcher happened because of Callaghan. Thats what happens.

Thatcher happened because of Corbin is a pretty weak argument with respect in my opinion.
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This is why we now have the low pay " Gig " economy with little rights and one sided contracts which can be altered or torn up at will by employers.
 


vegster

vegster

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May 5, 2008
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Even May's Cabinet Re-shuffle is bloody boring, most staying in their jobs...... Can't wait for the first PMQ's, it's going to be great fun !
 


pb21

pb21

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Apr 23, 2010
6,293
vegster said:
Even May's Cabinet Re-shuffle is bloody boring, most staying in their jobs...... Can't wait for the first PMQ's, it's going to be great fun !
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Remember when Dave said this to Corbyn:

“It might be in my party’s interest for him to sit there, it’s not in the national interest and I would say, for heaven’s sake man, go.”

Wouldn't be surprised to see Corbyn use something very similar against May, and he would be right.
 










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