That’s completely the opposite of the truth. He chose to walk out on Utd at the end of his youth contract, because he was annoyed at lack of first team opportunity (and no doubt ££££). United didn’t ‘get shot’. They were furious when he walked out.
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That’s completely the opposite of the truth. He chose to walk out on Utd at the end of his youth contract, because he was annoyed at lack of first team opportunity (and no doubt ££££). United didn’t ‘get shot’. They were furious when he walked out.
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Maybe there's nothing wrong with Sanchez, but there are other things that are wrong.
Personally I would gave got rid of Mourinho half way through last season....
beorhthelm
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absolutly, he's got the trophies in the past, but he's clearly lost his touch
Birdie Boy
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That's partially the truth in that they did not want him to go but Fergie did not like the agent and his demands and refused to work with him.
BensGrandad
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So let him leave strange that again the agent seems to be a problem again
Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
I like him.
The media narrative is always to try to get under his skin, to try to trip him up, ask pointed questions that will generate headlines. So of course he's always on the defensive, which then, in itself, makes it a "story". It must be incredibly wearing, knowing that every word you utter will be micro-analysed and twisted towards a particular narrative.
He has a point you know. Pochettino and Klopp have won the square route of f-all, and have finished MILES behind United, yet they get a very easy ride from the press. Mourinho is a sourpuss, but I can kind of see where he's coming from. His tan is bloody amazing as well.
The media narrative is always to try to get under his skin, to try to trip him up, ask pointed questions that will generate headlines. So of course he's always on the defensive, which then, in itself, makes it a "story". It must be incredibly wearing, knowing that every word you utter will be micro-analysed and twisted towards a particular narrative.
He has a point you know. Pochettino and Klopp have won the square route of f-all, and have finished MILES behind United, yet they get a very easy ride from the press. Mourinho is a sourpuss, but I can kind of see where he's coming from. His tan is bloody amazing as well.
sydney
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sydney
tinky ****in winky
Pogba walked off smiling and after being subbed off with the team 2-0 down ......clearly more money than sense.
BadFish
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Given that the 'united way' is quality attacking football with flair and success it amazes me that they took him in the first place.
Of course given that only three managers have ever won the top league with Man U I would suggest that since Fergie left they have reverteo the 'United Way
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sussex_guy2k2
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What? Is it 2004 all over again?
Lower West Stander
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You simply cannot have a situation where one player is bigger than the club - and that is what is happening at the moment.
However much you may disagree with Mourinho's tactics and results, you have to back him here. The manager is in charge not the player.
Remember the situation at Newcastle with Shearer? It almost felt like the club had to what he thought before they appointed a manager such was his influence at the club. And look many trophies he won there.....
However much you may disagree with Mourinho's tactics and results, you have to back him here. The manager is in charge not the player.
Remember the situation at Newcastle with Shearer? It almost felt like the club had to what he thought before they appointed a manager such was his influence at the club. And look many trophies he won there.....
sussex_guy2k2
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That's for two reasons. 1) they're substantially more likeable that Mourinho because they don't do horrible little things like throwing professional medics under the bus or poke people in the eye, and 2) both managers have, up until now, worked with considerably less resources than Mourinho who really should've had Man United up there properly with City now considering the financial input and time he's had. Klopp, for the first time, is rightly under a bit more pressure, but even then he's had to sell substantially more to pay the sums he's paid out for; Mourinho simply hasn't had to do that.
The reality is he's a more successful Tony Pulis - just even more whiny!
That is very true.
But Mourinho doesn't help by singling out allegedly under-performing or overweight players to the squad and media, and always having to have the last media soundbite in any bitchy battle with a player. Very childish, very damaging.
In this case it's not a binary choice. Both individuals are damaging the club.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Forgetting Pogba, JM seems to be a little lost. The 'three year' cycle has come around, he has spent a shed load of cash and doesn't seem to have a definitive style of play or line-up. City and Liverpool do however.
'Not special anymore' fits both manager and club, and in the case of the latter it's fantastic to see.
'Not special anymore' fits both manager and club, and in the case of the latter it's fantastic to see.
I agree with you. What's more, I think people forget how gentlemanly Mourinho behaved when he was winning everything at Chelsea. I don't recall him being particularly arrogant and remember one instance when Chelsea batter league one Huddersfield in the FA Cup, that he invited the Hudds manager for a drink afterwards and showed him a dossier he'd prepared on the Hudds team. I think it showed respect to the opposition and how down to earth he was at the time.
You're absolutely right about his treatment compared to Klopp and Pochettino - Man Utd finished absolutely miles ahead of the pair of them last season, and neither of the other two have won anything.
Thunder Bolt
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We need characters in the game. It's boring otherwise.
Even bothering to compare those two is ridiculous.
The actual reality is that he is more successful than all but maybe 6 or 7 managers across the world in the past 20 years!
Farehamseagull
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Pogba is too good for United now. He should leave and go to a club with a top manager who will get the most out of his unbelievable talent.
Mourinho was great for a 10 year spell between 2002 and 2012 but he is now yesterdays man. To be fair to him 10 years at the very top is longer than most managers get but the game has clearly moved on from him now. Klopp, Pep and Sarri in this league alone are a long way ahead of him now.
Pogba should leave. If he went to Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Barca, Juve, PSG or Bayern to play for their managers, he would be unstoppable.
Mourinho was great for a 10 year spell between 2002 and 2012 but he is now yesterdays man. To be fair to him 10 years at the very top is longer than most managers get but the game has clearly moved on from him now. Klopp, Pep and Sarri in this league alone are a long way ahead of him now.
Pogba should leave. If he went to Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Barca, Juve, PSG or Bayern to play for their managers, he would be unstoppable.
sussex_guy2k2
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"He is a more successful Tony Pulis". I stand by that, and writing a list of his achievements as a comparison does nothing but prove my point.
They both play a similar style of football - just one with substantially more resources than the other. Both are whiny, annoying men.
The reality is that most of the best clubs in the world simply wont stomach the Mourinho style of football anymore - it's archaic and being the underdog is only good if you're actually the underdog. Some managers are better with such jobs and some managers are better when they have to create attacking sides. Mourinho made his name as a big budget defensive coach with a focus on being a strong side that's tough to beat. But even at Chelsea he was the underdog as they'd not won anything of note in year. The same at Inter in the Champions League where no one expected them to win anything, despite their budget at the time being massive compared to everyone else in their league. But at Real and Man Utd, where he's had to build proactive, attacking sides for fans that demand more, he's failed.
So I'm sorry, but the comparison is valid.
HastingsSeagull
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Used to like him but has become a bit of a twunt.
Hope he stays another few weeks though to derail that club's hopes of a Euro place.
Hope he stays another few weeks though to derail that club's hopes of a Euro place.