What is somewhat curious to me is that the Tories are violently opposed to PR, citing the old "weak government" nonsense, yet they were in a Coalition with the Lib Dems that lasted the full term (much too the pundits surprise), plus PR would give them a pretty good chance of being in Government virtually all the time.
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Six months in the TORY government in is a TOTAL shambles
- Thread starter Ernest
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What is somewhat curious to me is that the Tories are violently opposed to PR, citing the old "weak government" nonsense, yet they were in a Coalition with the Lib Dems that lasted the full term (much too the pundits surprise), plus PR would give them a pretty good chance of being in Government virtually all the time.
Meanwhile back in the real world the economy is growing, record employment figures, and Labour are making themselves more unelectable everyday, which is slightly worrying as Jesus will get sacked soon and they might get somebody who can actually run a credible opposition.
- Nov 11, 2009
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No party can rule and carry the UK without being centrist, hard left/hard right have their bases but they do NOT and will not ever govern successfully. This country NEEDS a sensible opposition, not a collection of quacks and loons controlled by a Union baron. The Lib Dems are a far more credible national party opposition than the current ensemble of nutters destroying a proud old party.
A Corbyn coup would not favour the Tories, as it may provide real opposition and a real and credible alternative, but I so much hope it happens as we need a credible opposition and there are many good Labour MP's from the recently purged centre, who could lead the party back into power or at least provide adult debate, hold the government to account and who see the world as it truly is.
Instead we've got a complete fool detached from reality, who voted against his own parties whip over 500 times, with a head full of marxist utopian pipe dreams, being led by a Union baron living in a time warp and a shadow cabinet full of fringe nutters and his ex bird. None of whom understand where the majority of the UK electorate are at. Right now the Labour party is not a credible opposition. I hope that changes for the good of the majority.
Exactly.
Mackenzie
Old Brightonian
Agreed.
I'm a Labour voter, but I'll never vote for Corbyn. There must be many thousands like me.
Seasidesage
New member
I haven't lost anything mate including the ability to read. I won't be voting Labour now or before for that matter although I've met Len who is quite a nice bloke as it happens likes a bottle of wine, not sure I'd let him loose on anything important though.
You rant could just as easily be directed at the public school posh boys incapable of standing up to or indeed agreeing with their own party to offer a coherent strategy on Europe, in, out shake it all about, who's middle east blundering has no end game or middle or beginning that anyone with half a brain can see, who cannot carry through their welfare policy because Lord nonce and the rest of the inbreds won't let them, who cannot manage to fund the NHS through November let alone a whole year and who seem to have lost and then found £27b from the back of the sofa but can't think what to do with it. That's when they're not stuck up half the homeless kids in London or bullying their interns to death, and that was my point. A plague on both their houses or is that essential second property in order to serve their constituents better.
Nibble
New member
- Jan 3, 2007
- 19,238
The facts speak for themselves but if anyone thinks the Tories have failed, think again. They have been hugely successful in what they have set out to do. Make their rich chums richer and the poor poorer. You think they for one second care about ANYTHING other than creating an Elitist nation with their type on top then you're more foolish than I thought. They have triumphed in their mission. They spit in our faces and don't even bother to make excuses anymore. Pure scum. Tory voters, hang your heads in shame, hang your bloody heads .
The tragedy is that it's the equivalent of having John Obika up front, looking at the bench and seeing Leon Best as the substitute.
The government has been a disgrace for the last six months, being more interested in marginalising and emasculating their perceived opponents during the election campaign (Unions, the poor, the disabled, the BBC, Freedom of Information supporters), rewarding their supporters through cronyism, nepotism and gongs, and spending more much time positioning themselves for taking over from DC (Osborne, May, Boris) than on developing a strategy to address the long term economic interests of the country.
This is safe in the knowledge that Red Jezza and the lunatic McDonnell have turned Her Majesty's Opposition into an unelectable laughing stock.
The government has been a disgrace for the last six months, being more interested in marginalising and emasculating their perceived opponents during the election campaign (Unions, the poor, the disabled, the BBC, Freedom of Information supporters), rewarding their supporters through cronyism, nepotism and gongs, and spending more much time positioning themselves for taking over from DC (Osborne, May, Boris) than on developing a strategy to address the long term economic interests of the country.
This is safe in the knowledge that Red Jezza and the lunatic McDonnell have turned Her Majesty's Opposition into an unelectable laughing stock.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
There's not much that I want to defend Corbyn and his increasingly small cohort within the PLP on, but one thing they have done is assembled a decent enough team to consider the long term economic interest of the country. By this, I mean the likes of Richard Murphy, Mariana Mazzacuto, (Adair Turner)? There might be some guy that could enlighten them on football economics too.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,159
But beheadings are ok...... so long as it's Saudi Arabia doing it
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Corbyn should give the OP a job as his spin maestro would fit right in with the rest of the quality team he has assembled around him.
spring hall convert
Well-known member
If the measure of success of a Government is 'how much of the plebs' tax money can be put in the hands of shareholders in private companies,' they're doing an excellent job. As have all governments since 1979.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,349
and what they've ended up with is Tory-lite. abandoning welfare cuts, increased spending across the board, increased taxes of billions on businesses. austerity ended in the autumn statement. yet many seem to think their caricature image of the Tory party is in power, oblivious to how they've wandered over on to the center ground that used to be New Labour. odd how perceptions persist.
Meanwhile the Labour party, facing such a blantantly open goal, select Jeremy Corbyn as their leader... it would be hard to make something like that up!
Oh yeah, and what about the abandoning of the tax credit reductions.. how does that constitute 'spitting in our faces' and 'making their rich chums richer and the poor poorer'?
Psychobilly freakout
HellBilly
As opposed to Labour I guess who seem to have a leader the elected party majority don't want and therefore have no idea which direction they would like to go, still they have got four more years to make their mind up I guess.
larus
Well-known member
Oh please, don't let things as inconvenient as facts ruin someones political views. We know the line; All Tories are selfish, All Labour are the 'Salt Of The Earth'/of the people/compassionate.
As posted above, they are all as bad as each other. Corbyn thinks it was OK for him to defy the whip, yet it's not right when it's against him. Hypocrite?; of course not as he's left-wing.
Raleigh Chopper
New member
Just the tip of the iceberg Ernest you could go on and on its disgusting.
Interesting that, just like the election, the Tory blue rinse brigade never stick up for them or care to explain they just reply with a smear against Labour and mostly untrue just to scare.
I often get pelters for being a leftie on here for slagging the Tories and that is because under Cameron I hate them but I have never said who I prefer.
Why do I not slag Labour off? Because they are not in power and the election is years off, I am only interested in the government who are making the decisions, I will think about the opposition nearer the time.
But how Bozza and his mates on here can defend this appalling and weak government time and time again is mind boggling, i can only imagine you must be very selfish and extremely uncaring.
Truth is I totally agree with the thread about them all being rotten to the core, UK politics is a shambles and that is why I can say what I like about any of the parties, I have no bias whatsoever, I dislike them all.
Interesting that, just like the election, the Tory blue rinse brigade never stick up for them or care to explain they just reply with a smear against Labour and mostly untrue just to scare.
I often get pelters for being a leftie on here for slagging the Tories and that is because under Cameron I hate them but I have never said who I prefer.
Why do I not slag Labour off? Because they are not in power and the election is years off, I am only interested in the government who are making the decisions, I will think about the opposition nearer the time.
But how Bozza and his mates on here can defend this appalling and weak government time and time again is mind boggling, i can only imagine you must be very selfish and extremely uncaring.
Truth is I totally agree with the thread about them all being rotten to the core, UK politics is a shambles and that is why I can say what I like about any of the parties, I have no bias whatsoever, I dislike them all.
- Nov 11, 2009
- 11,391
dont worry, we've got Ryan Harley in midfield and both Billy Paynter and CMS should be fit again soon
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
There are other threads to talk about the opposition.
Is your only response to criticism of this government to revert to a pop at Labour, and celebrate the abandoning a terrible policy? Crikey.
