When did I say Stockdale was lucky? Whether you like it or not there is always an element of chance when a penalty is taken, pundits and players alike have described penalty shoot outs as 'lotteries', of course I didn't mean it literally but it saves me typing 2 paragraphs to express the probability/chance aspect in depth. Stockdale went the right way and as I've said I think Caddis will be unimpressed with his penalty. Nonetheless, it was good goalkeeping.
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[Albion] Penalty Save
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When did I say Stockdale was lucky? Whether you like it or not there is always an element of chance when a penalty is taken, pundits and players alike have described penalty shoot outs as 'lotteries', of course I didn't mean it literally but it saves me typing 2 paragraphs to express the probability/chance aspect in depth. Stockdale went the right way and as I've said I think Caddis will be unimpressed with his penalty. Nonetheless, it was good goalkeeping.
DavePage
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Typical Stockdale, once again parried the ball in the area where it could have gone to an opponent.
When will he learn that he has to hold onto these shots?
When will he learn that he has to hold onto these shots?
samtheseagull
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Must be a wind up? Did you not see the replay? Dunk went to header the shot and got Infront of stockdales view.
Great performance from stockdale yesterday, saved a one on one, great pen save, general handling and coming for crosses was great and kicking spot on.
I guess the other way of looking at that post would be:-
Now 2 people are talking bollox, boooo.
If you had apologised, I assure you I wouldn't have mentioned it again, but you didn't apologise, you said you were sorry that someone was rude to you (or words to that effect). If you subsequently apologised properly, please post a link and I will accept my mistake and apologise.
Here. Mowgli talks about the save as a quality one, you disagree and talk about penalties being lotteries, and link that game of chance to keepers going the right way a certain amount of time, the suggesting being, as with lotteries, going the right way is down to luck, then talk about the shot being savable. You throw a compliment in there as an after thought, but your general tone in that post is one that dismisses how much of a part Stockdale actually played in it.
Pundits spout loads of useless cliches; games of two halves, going for the ball, got a touch, the next goal could be crucial, and among them is penalties being a lottery. They are wrong on that too. They aren't. They don't always reflect the game that preceded them, but the same game of psychology and lack of randomness applies on shoot outs. They aren't lotteries.
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Seagull1989
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It was such an important save, If you look at the reaction of the crowd and players you could see how much it meant to us. Don't think we would have won if it had gone in. 2-1 down at half time would have been very difficult
My post wasn't solely aimed at you.
I think he only got there because he started moving before the ball was struck. It's not like the ball was kicked and Stockdale had time to see where it was going, and then get down to it.
Of course it gave Stockdale the opportunity to save, as he saved it. I think that any time someone fails to score a penalty they're going to be disappointed that they didn't hit it harder or closer to the corner. This thread was started to give praise to Stockdale on a fine save. Either you agree it was a fine save, or you don't. Comments like 'it was saveable' don't effect whether it was a fine save or not, as all fine saves were saveable.
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Stockdale is allowed to move on the line before the ball is kicked. I am not sure he actually did though. It happened so quickly.
Stockdale knew that Caddis preferred to kick to his left hand side so he stood slightly towards that side of the goal (see photo on page 1), but Stockdale already had decided to save to the other side. The goal wasn't saved yet though as he has got less than a second to get his body in front of the ball. The shape of Caddis was telegraphed.
http://www.jbgoalkeeping.com/pks.html
The real loser from the Caddis point of view is that he wanted to shoot to his left and then changed his mind because of Stockdale.
That's how I saw it from a long way away.
I know. The point being, that the penalty wasn't so slow as to allow Stockdale time to go and save it, he got there because he planned it and went early enough.
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Exactly. That's why it was not a lucky save.
The game would have be quickly forgettable without the penalty.
BensGrandad
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That is the crunch that would have helped DS decide on the direction of his dive. Nobody has said it was a lucky save as such just should been hit better.
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The crunch: Stockdale had already committed himself to diving the way he did. The telegraphing decided whether he would dive and was just a simultaneous confirmer. Caddis eyed up the goal to shoot the opposite side but then changed his mind and that why the l kick did not go in the corner. Caddis record at penalties showed that his style would score more often than not.
It was not Premier League standard, but the most of the shooting was even worse all afternoon. I think the trick is to keep the ball on the ground (requires practice when a right footer shoots to his left). I think it is possible to shape to go one way and then kick it in the other corner. A different kettle if Rosicky was taking the kick.
BensGrandad
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Those that want to may see what we have been saying and at the same time taking nothing away from DS as it was an important moment of the game.